Tiger 
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I'm getting a new laptop, it will come with Vista pre-installed. Is it worth keeping it on there or scrapping it and installing my copy of XP Pro instead. 
 
And, is there a way of booting up Photoshop without Windows nicking my system resources? i.e. running Photoshop without having Windows running at all?
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N3CRO 
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I didn't think much of Vista tbh. 
Most of ya old software will have to be patched to work, same with games. 
Depends if you think its worth the hassle or not.
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James_DT 
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No, you'll need Windows for Photoshop. 
Vista's worth keeping, I've used it as my main OS since it came out. Photoshop doesn't run any slower than it did with XP. 
Vista uses more memory, but most of it is through pre-fetching and it'll release it if programs need it. Unused memory is, after all, wasted memory.
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quote: Originally posted by Necromancer 
I didn't think much of Vista tbh. 
Most of ya old software will have to be patched to work, same with games. 
Depends if you think its worth the hassle or not. 
   
Nothing I had under XP has needed to be patched to work in Vista. It was completely hassle free.
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Its good, I like it for general browsing/work stuff. Photoshop doesn't run too well, but on a laptop its never gonna be brilliant. Certainly no worse than I'd expect it to run on XP even with the fancy graphic things running. 
 
I like it  
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N3CRO 
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quote: Originally posted by James_DT 
quote: Originally posted by Necromancer 
I didn't think much of Vista tbh. 
Most of ya old software will have to be patched to work, same with games. 
Depends if you think its worth the hassle or not. 
   
Nothing I had under XP has needed to be patched to work in Vista. It was completely hassle free. 
   
 
Lucky you. Nothing I had worked, it all needed to be patched.
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Its usually the hardware drivers which need updating, but yes, some software needs patching too - not everything works straight off.
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I like Vista.  Not using it currently as my MCSE exam is Windows XP based. 
 
RC1 has just been released which will make it a little more smoother.
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Tiger 
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There will probably be 3 programs running actually - iTunes, Photoshop CS3 and Nikons Software, but only one at a time. 
 
If I find its problem free, then i'll give it the benefit of the doubt. I just dont want it to have trouble when i'm working on files that are 400/500dpi and A3 size coz i'll have 2GB of RAM (cant afford any more right now).
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Andrew 
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RAM at the minute is around a tenner per gig.
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For Laptops? I was looking at a Dell Inspiron 1720, to upgrade from 2gb to 3gb was going to be £119 extra.
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quote: Originally posted by Andrew 
RAM at the minute is around a tenner per gig. 
   
 
I wish i need to buy 2gb for my pc and its about £90
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MikeD 
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Tiger dont buy RAM from dell. 
 
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=Inspiron%201720
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quote: Originally posted by MikeD 
Tiger dont buy RAM from dell. 
 
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=Inspiron%201720 
   
 
I'm fine modding desktop PC's never even tried doing anything on a laptop before - an i'm not sure if its a good idea coz it might fuck up my warranty. At least not in the first year mind you. 
 
[Edited on 05-01-2008 by Tiger]
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Overall I think its OK. Worth getting the RAM aftermarket as you will probably get 4GB for much less.
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quote: Originally posted by MikeD 
quote: Originally posted by Andrew 
RAM at the minute is around a tenner per gig. 
   
 
I wish i need to buy 2gb for my pc and its about £90 
   
 
Crack the PC open, remove the RAM, find the chip speed, sorted   
 
I tend to use dabs, aria or misco for PC bits.
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Tiger 
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Warranty?
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Andrew 
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quote: Originally posted by MikeD 
Tiger dont buy RAM from dell. 
 
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=Inspiron%201720 
   
 
Laptops are the same.  Usually a piece on the back to remove which gives you access to the RAM.
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Andrew 
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quote: Originally posted by Tiger 
Warranty? 
   
 
Fuck the warranty   
 
Shouldn't make a difference tbh.  Just remove the extra RAM if you need to call someone out.
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for dell laptops you have a slot underneath for 1 chip and usually the other is under the keyboard, but its really easy to do,  where are you from tiger?
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Andrew 
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quote: Originally posted by MikeD 
for dell laptops you have a slot underneath for 1 chip and usually the other is under the keyboard, but its really easy to do,  where are you from tiger? 
   
 
  
 
Newer models are set up like this.
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http://support.euro.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ins1720/en/SM/memory.htm#wp1180273
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Tiger 
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quote: Originally posted by MikeD 
for dell laptops you have a slot underneath for 1 chip and usually the other is under the keyboard, but its really easy to do,  where are you from tiger? 
   
 
10 miles southwest of Leics. 
 
Andrew - I don't normally give a monkeys about warranties but PC's arent always the most reliable bits of kit.
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quote: Originally posted by Tiger 
For Laptops? I was looking at a Dell Inspiron 1720, to upgrade from 2gb to 3gb was going to be £119 extra. 
   I have a 1720, 3 weeks old with Vista, other than the stupid switing off thing on vista i like it... BTW I hope you appreciate how big and heavy the 1720 is lol
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Tiger 
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Well, its going to be a work related computer, and i'll be using it in place of my desktop, with the occasional on site jolly but mainly at home on the desk.
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