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ricky1989

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16th Jun 06 at 15:38

lol its screaming.....

whitter45

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18th Jun 06 at 08:13

All cars are designed for efficiency and reliabilty

You have got to remember that the car comaonies spend tens of million to get the product right

When leaving the factory the engine willl be set-up for efficiency and reliabilty hence 3 year warrenties etc

With only little changes to software or hardware gains can be made but thi sin trun will effect othr aspects if other changes aren't made

For example remapping my car has added more boost - however if this was to increase more again the turbo would generate too much heat and the intercoolers would need to be chnaged

Hence there are limitsto what you can do but the engine will have been designed to last with a balance of performace and reliabilty as well as the most important issue for the car company being cost

kezza

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18th Jun 06 at 10:08

What exactly do you do to derestrict the 1.4 16 valve engines? like air box and inlet manifold. does it cost alot to do or can it be done easy?

Ry_B

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18th Jun 06 at 11:08

A new inlet like a mantzel/dblias costs quite a few hundred.

CorsAsh

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18th Jun 06 at 11:17

quote:
Originally posted by ricky1989
i have a 1.2 8V....... dats nippy enough

Any car which gives you enough time between gearchanges to knit a jumper is not nippy.

Milkman

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18th Jun 06 at 12:14

How is a c20xe restricted? as mine is just standard.

ricky1989

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18th Jun 06 at 21:32

lol u wont have time to nit a jumper with ricky driving..... ill put al ur shortshifters to shame

...... ina gd performing car?:S but the principal of aving time to nit a jumper between changin gears mate is there.... ill change from 1 gear to next quicker than u could stick ya indicator on!!

John

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18th Jun 06 at 21:44

You obviously can't read mate as thats not what he said.
I can just imagine you bombing about in your 1.2 8v though.

corsa flair

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19th Jun 06 at 09:29

anyone got a link for the aforementioned torque tubes. cheers

Cybermonkey

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19th Jun 06 at 12:03

the X12XE range and above are actually generation2 engines, unlike the gen1 14/16XE. its a different engine altogether in terms of head design

ricky1989

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19th Jun 06 at 14:32

lol its an ideal first car actually a 1.2 8V...... does the job for me at the end of the day...... where can u use 140mph in england safely?

Ry_B

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19th Jun 06 at 14:36

quote:
Originally posted by ricky1989
lol its an ideal first car actually a 1.2 8V...... does the job for me at the end of the day...... where can u use 140mph in england safely?

The M5 Ring.

Robin

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26th Jun 06 at 18:33

a lot

mwg

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26th Jun 06 at 18:51

quote:
Originally posted by blackula
I'd guestimate drilling the airbox, revising a cold air feed and K&N element gives about 10 bhp. Otherwise any gain less would never let you pull away.

on a 1.2 engine

and

again

and

cos this is an old post

alex_gsi

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26th Jun 06 at 20:50

quote:
Originally posted by Matty G

quote:
Originally posted by blackula
I'd guestimate drilling the airbox, revising a cold air feed and K&N element gives about 10 bhp. Otherwise any gain less would never let you pull away.

on a 1.2 engine

and again

and cos this is an old post

10bhp? was that a joke? when i has a 1.2 8v i did the same and it killed my car lol! gsi power now, not as fast as a c20xe but hey, i cant afford one!
never the less, 1.2's should all be binned

Ry_B

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26th Jun 06 at 20:50

If 1.2's were binned what would people's first cars be?

alex_gsi

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26th Jun 06 at 20:54

good point it was my 1st car aswell, but anythings gotta be better than being embarrassed by your mates in the back when it struggles up hills?

Ry_B

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26th Jun 06 at 20:56

I had 5 people and shit in the boot in my 8v 1.2 last month. 40 limit up this hill, was in second doing about 20 trying to get up the hill, it juddered loads like it was guna stall....didnt like it atall, finally picked up but i stayed in 3rd, wasnt nice

Robin

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26th Jun 06 at 22:55

quote:
Originally posted by Ry_B
If 1.2's were binned what would people's first cars be?

1.4s
or 1.2 16v's ?

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26th Jun 06 at 23:06

1.2 16v. I don't feel the need for anything faster. I would prefer something more efficient though like a 1.3 CDTI though...

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26th Jun 06 at 23:10

P.S. The engines won't have been restricted. They would have been designed to obtain a certain ammount of power. It would be embaracing on the behalf of the designers if they were given a brief to make a 100 bhp 1.6 small block for thier hot hatch and they turned up to meet the board with a 160bhp 1.6 small block that was more powerfull than thier 2.0 engines for thier performance saloon cars.

Robin

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26th Jun 06 at 23:25

sorry ed

from Autocar magazine

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26th Jun 06 at 23:30

Hmmmm, maybe things were different back then. I get the impression that if I were in charge of a team that did that it would be counted as a fuck up these days

Robin

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26th Jun 06 at 23:32

that would have been about 1990 that the engine was tested, so yeah, probably different views on it

now it would all be done on computer to work out optimum economy per horsepower and stuff

and i get the impression that Lotus didnt really listen to Vauxhall

Vauxhall did all the restricting

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26th Jun 06 at 23:36

Yea, I get that impression too now

WOuld be quite funny to see what the Vauxhall board thought when Lotus turned up with that engine!

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