Andy
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quote:
Originally posted by Shelly
people who come and use corsasport don't want to log in and find everyone bitching at everyone
Yes, especially when it's the moderators doing the bitching. Some of you guys need to get your act together (that's the polite way of putting it)
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Tiger
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quote:
Originally posted by Shelly
sometimes a genuine post is turned into a fully fledged handbag fight. people who come and use corsasport don't want to log in and find everyone bitching at everyone. so more often than not they get trashed.
a few posts developed that way last night which is why everyone is thinking we just delete stuff for the fun of it. the title of a post does not necessarily mean that it doesnt end up arguing.
They dont have to read it if they dont want to - no-one is forcing them to read something they dont want to.
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Shelly
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy
Yes, especially when it's the moderators doing the bitching. Some of you guys need to get your act together (that's the polite way of putting it)
I think some of the members do to. Not aimed at you Andy.
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Andy
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That's true Shelly, but the whole point surely of having a moderator on the board is reduce the amount of problematical material posted, rather than to stir things up (as one of your team was obviously enjoying doing last night).
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vibrio
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy
That's true Shelly, but the whole point surely of having a moderator on the board is reduce the amount of problematical material posted, rather than to stir things up (as one of your team was obviously enjoying doing last night).
oooooohhhhhh problematical 
yes I agree but there does not seem to be a defined type of post that goes in GC or OD.
example. http://www.corsasport.co.uk/board/viewthread.php?tid=97752 this should be in off day
this shoud be in off day http://www.corsasport.co.uk/board/viewthread.php?tid=97658
this should be in GC http://www.corsasport.co.uk/board/viewthread.php?tid=97682
and this shoudl be in off day http://www.corsasport.co.uk/board/viewthread.php?tid=97758
it should be easy to tell what is ment for GC and what is ment for off-day but the moderators can't seem to tell them apart. personally I think if you post a thread in GC that is ment to be in off-day then you should just delete it. you should have posted in off day to begin with.
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Andy
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Problematical; also known as sh1te
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SetH
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quote:
it should be easy to tell what is ment for GC and what is ment for off-day but the moderators can't seem to tell them apart. personally I think if you post a thread in GC that is ment to be in off-day then you should just delete it. you should have posted in off day to begin with.
Its not easy when we are being told conflicting information from admin about what goes where. At the moment it seems to be down to moderate discretion and there are so many posts that overlap and fall into the same boundaries making suited for either general chat or off day.
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Paul_J
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quote:
shelly says:
a few posts developed that way last night which is why everyone is thinking we just delete stuff for the fun of it.
Not at all, I'm not basing this post on what happened last night - mods were right to delete some of that trash... but this mods deleting / moving normal posts has been going on for ages!
Sometimes a post happens, people are replying and then suddenly it disapears! Some people think its been deleted and therefore won't check in off day to read it!
And I personally think if ANY post is going to be deleted / moved - the post starter should be informed in u2u and a reason given!!!
As Tiger said, no one is forcing anyone to read some of these posts - if they don't like whats being written simply don't read it!
Finally, People are getting 'Off Day' confused with 'Off Topic'...
Off Day = A place where random shit like abusive comments are supposed to go where the person who wrote the stuff must of been having an off day to write such filth... - this should also be pretty free on what can be posted there...
Off Topic - this is where posts would go if they wern't on topic of cars / corsa's, i.e. all the daniel bedding field, rugby, etc posts vibro pointed out!
The thing is, if you leave off day named off day - then its not really suitable for normal posts that may be a bit off topic - like that daniel beddingfield one...
but if you name it Off Topic - you will need a place to put the crap that will get posted in there!
So if you 'Really' want to solve the problem you will need Gen Discussion (which should be named General Car talk) - then Off Topic (which will be basically be General Discussion - where people can post any topic of stuff!)
and then finally junkyard - for any posts that are spamming / really offensive / etc - yet still allowing us to view them and add to them if we wished to (unlike Trash)
Seems a bit pointless though - I think you should leave it as it is, but just leave all posts in General Discussion as its called 'GENERAL' not 'CAR' discussion - and if they are spam like Poah, offensive like every swear word and contain naughty images then move them - otherwise leave them alone!
Paul J
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Trotty
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But Paul, if threads start off as reasonable discussions, but then degenerate into crap, how do we stand then? Unfortunately it's rarely a clear line between the two - we have to make a judgement call, and sometimes perhaps the wrong decision is made.
The only way to solve it IMO is to clearly define the forums, so there can be no doubt as to what is and isn't suitable, and then work from that. Until that happens, I can only see this problem continuing.
However, I wont find it an issue for much longer, I'm hanging my moderator hat up anyway.
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paul_spurrell
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SHOCK
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Paul_J
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yes but there's degenerating into crap like 1 odd person made a off topic comment and there's degenerating into crap like the post was about jam and now there's been 20 reply's which simply say 'I F*CK JAM!' and no one else is posting.
The thing is, if there's a selection of people that are actually reading and replying to a post - why should 1 twat ruin it for all by posting something off topic and thus making the whole post look a bit stupid and thus it getting moved.
Regardless of the fact that person has replied to it - the people who were originally reading it, will simply ignore the crap they don't want to read and read / reply to the stuff they were interested in!
by moving / deleting it - your stopping anyone reading / replying to it.
Perhaps, you should 'DELETE' the bad comments, rather than delete the whole thread.
At the end of the day though - I think you should re-arange the forum a bit.
Have a forum called 'General Car Talk'
Have a forum called 'OFF TOPIC'
and have one called 'OFF DAY or Junk or whatever'
Then you can give stricter rules on what happens.
i.e. if a post is not relevant to cars at all in General Car Talk - it gets moved to off topic.
Anything basically goes in off topic - unless its spam, offensive or ultimately pointless - posts about your jam factory, rugby, daniel bedding field, redline game pics, promotions, random film/tv quotes, channel 4 back yard wresting - ETC... will be fine here!
If however someone decides to write completely arse - like 'Poah has you' or 'Wee Wee' then move it to Off Day / junk whatever its called.
And finally in Off day / junk whatever you have any crap goes unless it conflicts with ROC - i.e. porn.
Basically - if you created off topic forum - you could then be more laid back about it and then we can be happy to read what we wish to read and ignore what we wish to ignore. I personally don't mind finding out what people on CS have been up to in their lives as I know quite a few of them in Real Life and thus its interesting to know whether they got a promotion, got attack or just got dumped, but most mods move / delete these posts.
Paul J
[Edited on 24-10-2003 by Paul_J]
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Trotty
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Point well made Paul, but I can't help but think we're over looking the one main factor that causes any annoyance in the first place - namely, why the hell have we got people posting such drivel anyway?! We shouldn't have to be clearing up threads and/or deleting stuff because people have posted such random crap.
It's more about educating certain users so they don't post rubbish in the first place - in an ideal world we'd have certain members with a touch of maturity rather than the 8 yr old intellect some of them appear to have while posting.
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Paul_J
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quote:
Point well made Paul, but I can't help but think we're over looking the one main factor that causes any annoyance in the first place - namely, why the hell have we got people posting such drivel anyway?! We shouldn't have to be clearing up threads and/or deleting stuff because people have posted such random crap.
because people browse this forum when bored and thats when the majority of posting / reading gets done...
If we wern't bored - we wouldn't be sitting on a PC in the first place to read the stuff.
i.e. stuck at work / college, lets go check the forum ... I've spent afternoon's where I'm stuck in a lesson and completely bored and just read every single post...
In the same way, when some people are completely bored - they post crap posts!
The thing is - if you limit people completely on what they say - i.e. say 'This is a car site, not a chat room - if your not talking about cars your post will be deleted' - people will simply stop posting, stop reading, get bored and the site will go v.quiet... (thus less people to reply to actual decent geniune problem posts)
To get an idea of the problem, imagine setting up your own forum.
Ok there it is, great - but no one's posting. So you tell some people to go post. They post - but no one's reading / replying... so they get bored and stop viewing.
Basically - unless people are reading + replying people won't make new posts, and unless new posts are being made people won't bother reading... (it goes in a vicious cycle)
- Hence by limiting what people can post overall - the site will get a lot more stale and will lose a lot of its 'activeness'.
I know what you mean about the educating people - but sometimes when your bored too, coming on and just reading some slightly amusing drivel can get you through the day.
Paul J
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Trotty
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But by that you're implying that to be useful, the site has to be very busy?
Speaking personally, I'd be happier with a quieter board but with genuinely useful threads.
I'm damn sure the board wasn't started to pass peoples bored moments at work/college/whatever
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Paul_J
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Yes, but its when people are bored and go 'lets check corsasport' read all the threads in Gen Disc and then move onto the other forums that it works so well...
If I'm really bored - I'll read Gen Disc, then read Help + Advice, then read Classifieds then read... etc...
Basically if your that bored you get drawn to corsasport Gen Disc board, you may then wander off to the other forums like help + Advice while your here.
Otherwise - you may not just go 'hmm I'm bored - I know lets go check Help + Advice on Corsasport'
I personally never go straight to 'Help + Advice' first unless if I'm posting a problem myself, if I'm just browsing I always browse General Discussion first and go from there.
As I'm sure many people do.
Thus, if you have say 50 people browsing at a certain moment in time, say 47 of them may of browsed general discussion first and 3 may of gone straight to other sections... then say 30 of the 47 will then wander to other sections of the site...
Without General discussion you may only have say 5 people browsing at a certain time and those 5 people may give relavent advise or ask good questions - but then there's less chance that out of the 5 people browsing someone will know the answer - where as if you have 45 people checking things its more likely 1 of the 45 will know what your problem was.
If you check out other forum's that are basically 'Topic related' and nothing else, you usually have to post a question and your likely to get a response in about 2 days time, this site you can expect a response to a problem in about a hour!
Paul J
[Edited on 24-10-2003 by Paul_J]
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Ian
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Some very valid points. Let me approach a few as most have been covered already but I still have some input to give.
My moderation criteria (and that which I encourage all staff to use) is that useful things stay in GC, and gab goes. It can be useful if it is a valid question, containing (or with the potential to contain) a valid set of answers. This could be cars, computers, life, whatever.
General Chat is not a car forum.
Off Day is not an off topic forum. The big problem here - we've not clearly defined what is ON topic, nevermind what is off.
It also doesn't worry me much that the site would be less busy if the chat disappeared. Maybe 50 users would leave. I know 25 who would return and talk far more sense than the departed. Thats not a great gross loss.
And I also refute the notion that its a power trip anyway, moving threads is an exercise in organisation and presentation, not power.
I also still say; this site is not a cure for boredom! If you're in college and bored at a computer then I'd recommend reviewing your choice of course or attitude to study!
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Adam-D
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spot the dog what?
eh?
what are these pages of symbols???
he he
just kidding i read the first page and got tired so
off day - everything but cars
general chat - car and car related
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vibrio
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POAH
could not resist. some people do take the web far too seriously
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Ben
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quote:
Originally posted by Trotty
Well worded Paul 
The way I see it, and this is purely my own opinion, is that General Chat should just be car related - this is after all primarily a car website, not a chat room.
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not been funny but general chat means general chat! general corsa chat is self explanitory!
there shud be
ice and......
help and.......
general corsa chat............
off day (for all other non car related chat!)#
then at least ppl would know where they should be posting ffs 
[Edited on 120102 by Ben]
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Paul_J
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yeh but don't call it off day ffs... call it off topic!
off day means something completely different - its a place for rants and abuse! not just non relevant posts...
and Ian it was not a comment about how many 'fewer members would view the site' but more about how often they'd keep checking back to see if there were new posts!
Paul J
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Cybermonkey
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FPMSL @ this post
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Dr Pepper
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why dont people just stop posting such utter shit- then you wont need to change anyt
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Ian
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr Pepper
why dont people just stop posting such utter shit- then you wont need to change anything
Good point well put
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Paul_J
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Dr Pepper the problem is different people have different definitions of shite...
You may think shite is simply any Poah post, someone else may think shite is any post that isn't really about corsa's.
That's the problem.
Paul J
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vibrio
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do you have somethign against POAH
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