Scotty_B
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Race itself was pretty decent with some good overtaking.
Kimi on Schmacher was immense.
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Ben G
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He can never produce a fantastic time over just the 1 lap.
Are you some kind of twat? Thats exactly whats he best at 
personal opinion mate.
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He can never produce a fantastic time over just the 1 lap.
Are you some kind of twat? Thats exactly whats he best at
Frustrating. What can you do when you get taken out like that? The gap is still the same to the leader though, so not much lost. Very scary crash though, the on board shots were just 
Quite surprised Grosjean got banned for that though, theres been much more dangerous moves that havent been punished as harshly, he just happened to make a small mistake that resulted in a very dangerous crash because of the short run followed by tight hairpin.
Race itself was pretty decent with some good overtaking.
Think the ban is for repeatedly causing accidents. 7 in 12 races I think I heard.
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Yes but like Gary Anderson says on the beeb site they have all been while racing.
Pastor smash it yor crashes into other drivers deliberately and gets a telling off
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Rob_Quads
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I think its down to the risk. Yesterdays maneuver had a much higher risk if it went wrong. When its just the two of you there is only so much damage to the race you can do.
Doing the maneuver on a first lap corner was much higher risk with a much greater impact to the race. You could argue that they were very lucky that more cars were no damaged / someone getting properly hurt
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He can never produce a fantastic time over just the 1 lap.
Are you some kind of twat? Thats exactly whats he best at
personal opinion mate.
don't hate the player, hate the game.
Not really opinion though is it when discussing statistics 
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Johnny and Kyle are right, getting one good lap in is usually what Hamilton is decent at. Button was non it all weekend though, whether that was down to the setup or whatever it doesn't matter too much, as it obviously will have given him a boost which will hopefully carry to monza. Kimi did very well, might have managed second if they went for a low downforce setup.
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It was obviously the setup that won it for Button. You only have to look at the speed data that Hamilton posted. It clearly showed they were perfectly matched all the way round except for the high speed long runs where there was quite a significant speed difference.
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It was obviously the setup that won it for Button. You only have to look at the speed data that Hamilton posted. It clearly showed they were perfectly matched all the way round except for the high speed long runs where there was quite a significant speed difference.
Button can only win when he has an advantage mechanically over the rest. Had Hamilton had that set up theres no way he'd have out qualified him. Lewis knows this, thats why he was so pissed off, and rightly so. Button has no chance of the title.
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Kyle T
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It was obviously the setup that won it for Button. You only have to look at the speed data that Hamilton posted. It clearly showed they were perfectly matched all the way round except for the high speed long runs where there was quite a significant speed difference.
Question is why did Hamilton not make the time up in the bends? If he was running more DF it's expected that he'd be slower on the straights but would have more grip in the corners.
I can only think that either McLaren got his setup wrong which is likely due to lack of dry running in practise, or alternatively Hamilton was overdriving to try and compete with JB's sector times.
Either way, mechanical advantage or not JB was pretty dominant this week - and I've got high hopes for strong McLaren running in Monza... I hope so anyway, as I'll be there waving my little union flag amongst a sea of red
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Dave
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I think it's unfair to say Button can only win when his car is better than everyone else's but it certainly seems he is only competitive when the car/conditions work for him. He has such a smooth style but that doesn't lend itself to a car that is misbehaving.
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Dom
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It was obviously the setup that won it for Button. You only have to look at the speed data that Hamilton posted. It clearly showed they were perfectly matched all the way round except for the high speed long runs where there was quite a significant speed difference.
How does the telemetry show them being perfectly matched?
The telemetry shows Hamilton losing time, compared to Button, on the straights and gaining some of it back during the rest of the circuit, which is what you would expect when comparing a high downforce setup with a low downforce setup.
It certainly doesn't show both drivers as being 'perfectly matched' nor does it suggest Hamilton would be better than Button had he been given the same rear wing.
However it does show that Hamilton needs to grow the fuck up and to stop throwing tantrums. It was completely moronic of him to leak highly sensitive data to the rest of paddock as the telemetry showed a lot lot more than his whining about the time difference 
Jonny - "Button can only win when he has an advantage mechanically over the rest". Those are some big chips on your shoulders 
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He can never produce a fantastic time over just the 1 lap.
Not sure about that, Hamilton is reasonably decent when he's in the right frame of mind with a decent setup beneath him. But i wouldn't say he was the 'best' at getting in single hot laps; that title, unfortunately, i'd give to the one-finger-saluting kraut.
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sums Hamilton up really
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12479/8050018/Button-disappointed-by-Hamilton
Why would he think that's a wise move to post that information on Twitter
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Button just doesn't want him to resign lol
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JonnyJ
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Can always rely on Dom for a good bite if you slate his precious button
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Dom
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sums Hamilton up really
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12479/8050018/Button-disappointed-by-Hamilton
Why would he think that's a wise move to post that information on Twitter
At the start of the season he stated that he would keep his head down and get on with it, which he has done for the most of it, but in one weekend he's gone back to being an immature spoilt prat from yester-season.
No doubt stern words were had behind doors but i think McLaren need to start reining him in (twitter ban would be a good start) as stunts like leaking telemetry data affects the whole team.
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Can always rely on Dom for a good bite if you slate his precious button
What ever makes you feel better, Jonny 
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I think part of the problem is this weekend his mind has also still been on his aunts death who he was meant to be still very close to.
Not everyone can just blank out that sort of thing and get to work like nothing has happened
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Dom
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I think part of the problem is this weekend his mind has also still been on his aunts death who he was meant to be still very close to.
Not everyone can just blank out that sort of thing and get to work like nothing has happened
That's understandable but it doesn't make his actions any less excusable. And it's incomprehensible how he thought telling the rest of paddock the teams' telemetry data prior to the race would be a good idea; it's simply not the done thing what ever the situation.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19489930
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If there is anyone I trust less for an accurate story its Eddie Jordan
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I think it's probably true. Hamilton himself said that his future would be sorted out before Spa...and nothing was said. If he does indeed to to Merc, who'd replace him?
I've no idea who's free at the end of the season? Perez?
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If LH went to any midfield team I'd rather Williams tbh.
The Merc rumour has been around for a while but I can't see what's possible good about it for Lewis, they're nowhere with no sign of improving and the Merc bosses have been questioning their place in F1 all together.
Williams have got a decent recent history, they're on the rise and they really need a solid driver to get some sponsors interested so they can dump cashdonaldo and still keep funding.
Lewis will attract the biggest and best sponsors wherever he goes, so for any midfield team he's an absolute goldmine.
I'd see PdR going to McLaren if this happened, which would make me want to burn all my McLaren merchandise in a fit of rage because he does my head in The thought of DiResta winning a GP and being interviewed makes me want to throw up.
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Oh, and everybody is "free" when it comes to moving to a McLaren seat, regardless of contract.
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Originally posted by Nath
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19489930
Orrob, Vodaphone, white electrical products, penthouse etc tbh.
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