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5th Mar 08 at 16:58

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Originally posted by Robin

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Originally posted by Paul_J
Yeh I agree with AK, also it now sounds like you want to build a 'Show' track car, rather than a 'track car'.

Is Broster's a 'show' track car?

Its done 1 trackday that I know of

and blew up... ages ago. What would you call it at the moment?

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5th Mar 08 at 17:53

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Originally posted by AK

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Originally posted by Robin

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Originally posted by Paul_J
Yeh I agree with AK, also it now sounds like you want to build a 'Show' track car, rather than a 'track car'.

Is Broster's a 'show' track car?

Its done 1 trackday that I know of and blew up... ages ago. What would you call it at the moment?

at the moment id call it a paper weight

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5th Mar 08 at 19:52

it would have dont alot more though, if it hasnt have died with jamie at the wheel

I think alot have missed the point

Robin now has access to alot of tools, time, ramps, knowledge and discount/free stuff, he is goning to want to build something using all these, and not just buy a standard 106 rallye etc, no matter how sensible this may be

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5th Mar 08 at 19:54

I just can't understand why it has to be old rwd and need building?

why not buy a cheap fwd hot hatch and just enjoy it untill finances become better?

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5th Mar 08 at 19:56

read above

rob can get mega cheap duratec stuff, prob build one much much cheaper than brosters engine, and cheaper than any xe, good engine is

and RWD as its not FWD and gay

and most RWD car are older

[Edited on 05-03-2008 by jr]

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5th Mar 08 at 20:04

I dont care how cheap he "says" he is getting the bits and labour I bet my bottom dollar it will in the long run be MUCH MUCH more expensive than buying something decent in the first place.

Maybe I could use Broster as an example in this case?

RWD may be cool but I think your missing the point of a track day car if your main conern is trying to look cool infront of your mates.

Robin the above is not a dig at you in any way but as you mentioned yourself you cant really afford aall singing and dancing car and I do know you love your cars that are "different" and retro but in this case I do belive its all about buying something usable and getting some track time and then later on when your finances settle build something cool. Otherwise your going to end up with an Acid dipped concours track car that'll you'll be scared of pranging?

[Edited on 05-03-2008 by Fad]

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5th Mar 08 at 20:09

there will be no labour, if i was working in a similar postion id be doing the same thing

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5th Mar 08 at 20:10

James lets be fair you dont do the sensible option ever

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5th Mar 08 at 20:12

true mate, true

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5th Mar 08 at 20:15

But you can see AK and Paul J's points though?

But then again all I see in this scenario is the same poor excuses people make when they say they can't afford quicker cars so they slap loads of filler on it only to end up costing shit loads more than insuring a better car.

*holds up hands* I been there too.

[Edited on 05-03-2008 by Fad]

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5th Mar 08 at 21:24

exactly... been there... made the mistakes etc

FWD isnt gay either.... its what the driver does with it. RWD is deemed to be 'cool'... I for one know that I can drive a FWD or 4wd car quicker on track.... and I'm not a RWD virgin.

Like all the folk that say a skyline GTR drives itself because it is 4wd. Aye.... you've never driven a standard one then

An old shell is going to cost a bit to buy..... if its in good condition. If it isnt it'll cost a bit to sort out.

Maybe a focus shell? Plenty of decent kit out there for them, and they are new enough to be fairly rust free. RWD that if you have too.

Either way this CAN NOT be a cheap track car unless you build it in your shed from weld and scrap steel.

If your getting a lot from your work for free good on you.... go with what they give you. If it is a demo car, ask them what they want to show case, and get them to pay for it

You must have an idea of what car/shell you want to start with

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5th Mar 08 at 21:25

adam, the FWD gay bit was in refrence to allmost all of SVM's replies, not actully what i think

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5th Mar 08 at 21:26

rob, theres a fullg caged (to timeattack and EDS spec) R32GTR shell for sale, buy that £800

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5th Mar 08 at 21:29

where?

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5th Mar 08 at 21:34

in virtully everything he writes, i thought fad and robin may pick up on it

i wouldnt be throwing £££ and the corsa, if i didnt belive that it culd be quicker than a similar speced E30 etc

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5th Mar 08 at 21:37

Fad, do you know how much Mark has spent? It'll be FAR less than you think.

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Originally posted by Fad
I dont care how cheap he "says" he is getting the bits and labour

I don't understand that

Labour is FREE...

[Edited on 05-03-2008 by Robin]

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5th Mar 08 at 21:39

what about a duratec powerd puma, or Ka

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5th Mar 08 at 21:47

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If you watch this vid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fmxP5iaD0s&feature=user

[Edited on 05-03-2008 by Paul_J]

Didnt that magic tree annoy you?

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5th Mar 08 at 21:48

quote:
Originally posted by AK
FWD isnt gay either.... its what the driver does with it. RWD is deemed to be 'cool'... I for one know that I can drive a FWD or 4wd car quicker on track.... and I'm not a RWD virgin.

An old shell is going to cost a bit to buy..... if its in good condition. If it isnt it'll cost a bit to sort out.

Maybe a focus shell? Plenty of decent kit out there for them, and they are new enough to be fairly rust free. RWD that if you have too.

Either way this CAN NOT be a cheap track car unless you build it in your shed from weld and scrap steel.

If your getting a lot from your work for free good on you.... go with what they give you. If it is a demo car, ask them what they want to show case, and get them to pay for it

You must have an idea of what car/shell you want to start with

Are you missing the point completely?

It's not a demo car, but seeing as I work for JAMsport, a track car which belongs to me will have JAMsport stickers on it, like Jamie's, Mark's and Paul's, who also work for JAMsport.

I won't be getting anything paid for for me, it'll all be coming out of my pocket, but remember that working for a company like this means certain perks.

They're not offering to build me a car, I want to build a car and it makes sense to show off the bits we can sell, so JAMsport make more money from people who see the car.

I'm not looking for a cheap track car, I'm looking for a car which doesn't cost me shitloads to buy in standard form. There's no point in me waiting months to buy a £5000 car, to pull it apart and replace EVERYTHING, is there? I might as well buy a cheaper car and spend the same money on the aftermarket stuff for it, giving the same net result.

I'm not going to go for stupid power, I'm talking about 250bhp in a lightweight car, something which I can have some fun with. I don't want a FWD car, because the Duratec engine (which I want to use for the reasons mentioned above) would be better driving the rear wheels, than the front. Not only that, it's easier to get an alien engine into a RWD car than it is into a FWD one, there tends to be more space.

I could quite easily go out and get a 205, strip it, cage it and whatever, but I'd end up spending the same money on it as I would on something else, so I'd rather start out with the drive format I'd prefer to have from the outset. Also, Paul's car is a 205, there doesn't need to be another one on our show stands...

I do have an idea of the car I want to use, it's been mentioned in this thread.

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5th Mar 08 at 21:49

quote:
Originally posted by Fad
But you can see AK and Paul J's points though?

But then again all I see in this scenario is the same poor excuses people make when they say they can't afford quicker cars so they slap loads of filler on it only to end up costing shit loads more than insuring a better car.

*holds up hands* I been there too.

That's exactly the point though.

I can't afford to spend £5k now in one go, but I can afford to spend £10k in the long run, over a longer period.

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5th Mar 08 at 21:51

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Originally posted by jr
it would have dont alot more though, if it hasnt have died with jamie at the wheel

I think alot have missed the point

Robin now has access to alot of tools, time, ramps, knowledge and discount/free stuff, he is goning to want to build something using all these, and not just buy a standard 106 rallye etc, no matter how sensible this may be

Fuck me, someone gets it

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5th Mar 08 at 21:51

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Originally posted by Robin
Fad, do you know how much Mark has spent? It'll be FAR less than you think.

[Edited on 05-03-2008 by Robin]

We had a brief discusion and its still way to deep for my pockets no matter how good the discount on parts etc. However cheap it may be in comparison the RRP i am sure its still a bloody lot on a Corsa. (its not a dig at modding corsas before i get flamed)

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5th Mar 08 at 21:51

Supercharged 206's are coming out anywhere from 230-300 bhp depending on the spec.

That isn't a shameless plug about 206's, it's just another option. 306 GTi6 could be another option.

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5th Mar 08 at 21:52

If any of that soudned a bit harsh, I'm sorry, it's been a long day

I can see what you're all saying, but you seem to be missing the point somewhat.

I'm after something which is right, not something which is working sort of ok yesterday.

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5th Mar 08 at 21:53

do i get anything free for understanding you

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