Robin
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Originally posted by Cupra Steve
Coming from anyone else i would probably of laughed.
Lame attempt at an insult after being proven wrong eh?
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Cupra Steve
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How the fuck does the weight of a rear bench and a few bits of plastic equate to 2 bags of cement ot 3 people! It's probably 20kg max.
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ed
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Rear bench, trim, sound deadening, spare wheel, wheel brace, jack, speakers, carpets.
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Cupra Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
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Originally posted by Cupra Steve
Coming from anyone else i would probably of laughed.
Lame attempt at an insult after being proven wrong eh?
You haven't proved anything, show to me lap times with full interior and lap times with rear seats and some trim removed if you really want to prove me wrong.
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Cupra Steve
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Originally posted by ed
Rear bench, trim, sound deadening, spare wheel, wheel brace, jack, speakers, carpets.
So what do you think that weighs?
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ed
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Bout 20kg. The reason why we both said add weight was to demonstrate that weight on the back axle does effect handling.
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Butler
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Well over 20 kilos id say! Just the rear stripped makes a massive difference, the cornering handling was affected largely. You can tell you difference with one passenger in the car, id say everything I took out my car weighed about the same. The rear bench is actually quite heavy and when you add everything up it is actually alot. Cupra Steve have you ever stripped your car out and compared it?
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Cupra Steve
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I don't doubt that excessive weight affects performance in every way and i'm not saying losing a few kg's won't make a difference, what i'm saying is it won't be a noticable difference! 20kg is like have a 1/4 of a human! Not being funny 1 passenger in any of the cars i have had haven't made alot of difference!
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Cupra Steve
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Originally posted by Butler
Well over 20 kilos id say! Just the rear stripped makes a massive difference, the cornering handling was affected largely. You can tell you difference with one passenger in the car, id say everything I took out my car weighed about the same. The rear bench is actually quite heavy and when you add everything up it is actually alot. Cupra Steve have you ever stripped your car out and compared it?
Me and my brother had a 1.6 mk4 escort which he had done quite a bit too, we stripped everything out of it and it was noticeable, but it only had clocks, pedal, steering wheel, 2 seats and harnesses.
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Robin
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It's more like 40kg.
40kg extra in the back of a car will mean it doesn't go round corners as well.
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CorsaSi
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i stripped out my back seats and mdf boot build, sub/6x9's spare wheel and car was alot more responsive and all in all faster, much louder inside though.. but probs was because the boot build was all mdf and weighed a shit load..
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Robin
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My 40kg is a conservative estimate too, I'd be surprised if it was that little, hence the "2 bags of cement" analogy.
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SportBoy
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touring cars was good way of seeing the difference in weight when they weighed them down . didnt make a vast difference on them but it did alittle . if you useing it on the road i wouldnt bother ... unless you have no friends 
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Cupra Steve
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Robin do you notice the difference in how your car drives when you carry a passenger?
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Butler
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With the lighter back end my car was certainly alot more tail happy aswell which was alot of fun.
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Robin
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Originally posted by Cupra Steve
Robin do you notice the difference in how your car drives when you carry a passenger?
Not this one, it's permanently slow.
I did in my yellow car though, it was slower and less chuckable.
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Butler
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I definately feel it in mine, I dont know why though but people say its alot more noticeable in the 8vs. Paul J said the same about his GTI though I think.
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Cupra Steve
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Originally posted by Butler
With the lighter back end my car was certainly alot more tail happy aswell which was alot of fun.
TBH weight distribution has as much if not a bigger part in handling then weight. Taking out weight from the rear without doing so to the rest of the car will affect handling in the ways Butler describes, thats why redtop corsa's don't go round corners
[Edited on 10-05-2007 by Cupra Steve]
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Cupra Steve
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Originally posted by Butler
I definately feel it in mine, I dont know why though but people say its alot more noticeable in the 8vs. Paul J said the same about his GTI though I think.
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Robin
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Have you driven a Corsa with and without interior to pass judgement?
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Cupra Steve
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with yes. without know. your talking about your nova so stfu.
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Robin
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I'm talking about my Corsa, where did I mention my Nova?
My Nova had a full GSi interior...
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by Cupra Steve
I don't doubt that excessive weight affects performance in every way and i'm not saying losing a few kg's won't make a difference, what i'm saying is it won't be a noticable difference! 20kg is like have a 1/4 of a human! Not being funny 1 passenger in any of the cars i have had haven't made alot of difference!
You had a 106 gti didn't you?
I find just 1 passenger makes my car feel a hell of a lot slower.
I've done 1/4 mile with and without rear stripped and it definately made a difference. maybe only 0.3-0.5 secs (don't sound a lot)...
but on 1/4 mile 0.5 secs is a long time! (i.e. at least a few car lengths ahead of the other car!)
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Butler
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quote:
Originally posted by Cupra Steve
quote:
Originally posted by Butler
I definately feel it in mine, I dont know why though but people say its alot more noticeable in the 8vs. Paul J said the same about his GTI though I think.
Strip your GTI out then come back and argue you mug
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wilson_sri
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i noticed a BIG differance in my old turbo, not much speed wise. But round corners yes.
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