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SetH
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That's a disco parked in front, that would make a much better zombie smasher


Ah could not quite tell, I thought I was staring at a big black work van. Not a BBC before ojc gets excited
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I'd love an E46 M3 CS


Its all about the M2 competition. Basically an evolved E46 M3




I'd love to test drive one, minus salesman of course. These cars only show you their talents approaching the limits. a chug around town and a little pull up to 70mph on a dual carriage way is a waste of time. I can kind of visualise how it will be better than the M4 CP, certainly on the roads around here.


Guy at works got one, he originally intended to get an M4, the M2 just blew it away.
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That's a disco parked in front, that would make a much better zombie smasher


Ah could not quite tell, I thought I was staring at a big black work van. Not a BBC before ojc gets excited


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I need to try a M2 sometime. Iíve had a decent effort in a 140m and it was pretty fast, dct box was flawless.

Loved my old e46 m3, still one my favourite cars.
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Iíve got a xc90 for charging zombies.

Looked at one those Mercs I forget the badge glc mag or something.....nice car but too small.

Love a disco 4! Iíd take one over most the current LR offerings.
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Disco is technically my wife's car, it looks good but I think they are horrible to drive..

The Polo was my daily - DSG box is great, I actually love having a little car for a daily, no issues parking etc.

At just over 8 grand the GLC was a deal I simply couldn't pass by!
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Well that was a bargain!

Yeah I miss having a small car. I quite like a hot hatch fun and convenient in equal measures.
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I'd say.. its a £26k CAP car lol..
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At just over 8 grand the GLC was a deal I simply couldn't pass by!
Virus related or just general disposal?

Winners and losers yes?
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What did you think of the M4?
M4, M2 or an f type were on my consideration for a new motor before all of this happened.




My thoughts on the M4 are mixed, If I am honest I never really gelled with it.

Likes

1) A proper chassis, could feel everything it was doing (with the exception of the usual electric steering lack of feel), very easy to get it sideways. I could really feel that rear differential doing its work and its night and day to an M lite car in this respect having driven an M135 and comparing to various 330/335.

2) Scalpel sharp front end, could place it exactly where I wanted. Again you don't get this in an M-lite.

3) I had it in silverstone II and loved how aggressive it looked yet maintained an aura of beauty.

4) lovely interior, I loved the analogue dials, the ergonomics, the seats were just awesome. Much better interior than my friends 5 series with the silly digital dash.

5) It felt very light on its feet and very agile for what is not a small car by any means. Night and day from my friends RS5.

6) Was my first ///M Car, as never had the courage to buy a used one so it had to be new with warranty so it was quite a special moment for me.

7) blistering mid-range torque if you can get the power to the road. Would have preferred a more peaky engine though, a sign of the times manufacturers dropping high revving N/A.

dislikes

1) not a great driving position, limited visibility. The razor sharp front end hampered a little by these limitations. definitely a car at risk of constant wheel kerbing as its hard to be spatially aware in this car.

2) Too big for UK B roads, as Chris Harris said the M2 is the perfect size.

3) They do not sound great at all. sure the pops and bangs are entertaining although fairly sedate by some standards overall the engine/exhaust note is nasty.

4) Very rare you will get all the power down to the road. I was running MPSS tyres (factory default), once you got some heat in them it was much better. However for 75% of the year its not a great UK car. My friend had a non CP M4 and the only time he really got to enjoy it was a trip to Le-Mans.

5) That torque curve, does not suit this type of car tbh. It makes so much of its torque low down and comes in so quickly causing traction issues and can easily upset the car. I totally understand the 'low torque' maps that people are using with JB4's.

6) 90% of people (including me) don't have the talent to drive it anywhere near its potential. Any sorted Golf R or RS3 will show you the way home on UK roads. I expect they are superb on track though, especially with ceramics.

7) Not really the best daily driver when you compare it to quattro Audi offerings, not special enough to be a toy. You see a lot of long term reviews on the tube looking back on how its not ///M divisions finest moment for a reason.

the M2 competition though is intriguing.

The new 4WD M3/M4 will probably be a serious weapon.

I'd love an E46 M3 CS



Cheers matey some good info

Echos alot of what I have heard from other people. Was going to go and test drive one to see what I thought. However I have a feeling I will find it a bit big!

Also I like the fact my current car (lightly modified gt86) can be driven at a level to excite on most roads without speeds etc getting too silly and it is a small nimble car. M4 may just feel ott.
But on the flip it is a plasticy jap car and the lack of torque can frustrate.
Think an m2 would be a logical step. Did a track day with lee303 off of here in February at Bedford. Going on in his m2 after mine back to back certainly made it feel a nice step up. The nice build, torque etc all made it feel superior. And size wise it didn't seem any bigger....

Lee was saying bmw have shot themselves in foot with the m2 comp by producing too many that are currently all sat in dealer forecourts unsold. Maybe this will prove fruitful for future buyers


Drives supercharged Tec with torque
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At just over 8 grand the GLC was a deal I simply couldn't pass by!
Virus related or just general disposal?

Winners and losers yes?


I don't know the market at all for these but they car and 8k I wouldn't put together!


Drives supercharged Tec with torque
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I'm sure he'll tell us whether or not its been in a lake
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I need to try a M2 sometime. Iíve had a decent effort in a 140m and it was pretty fast, dct box was flawless.

Loved my old e46 m3, still one my favourite cars.


I am not being picky but I think they are ZF torque convertor in the M140i but they have got to the point where they are so good that I think BMW have dropped the dual clutch for the new M4, not sure whats in the M2 competition although I know its got a proper ///M engine now.
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That Disco is lovely Dave! One of the most comfy cars up front Iíve ever sat in. Iíd love one.


Iím still rocking an E46 M3, lovely car. Do keep wanting to upgrade to an M2/4 though. Comp packs are still pricey though, the non-comp packs look a bit feeble by comparison.

Driven an M240i at speed and whilst it was a nice enjoyable car, I was left feeling sad that the steering was god awful and the chassis was sub par. I had similar disappointment with an E82 135i that had been modded. It was an absolute missile in a straight line but the chassis felt slow, heavy etc bit like trying to run in wellies?

M2 is most likely step for me next, good value but the interior leaves a little to be desired
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E46 must be on the way up in price as well, that'll be a keeper if you do upgrade.
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Iíve seen my old e46m for sale twice since I sold and itís been asking for a lot for more than I got for it.

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Driven an M240i at speed and whilst it was a nice enjoyable car, I was left feeling sad that the steering was god awful and the chassis was sub par. I had similar disappointment with an E82 135i that had been modded. It was an absolute missile in a straight line but the chassis felt slow, heavy etc bit like trying to run in wellies?



THIS

For the money they are a great car, and unique in that you can have a lovely 3.0 straight six unique to the manufacturer in that class of car. However, they are not an ///M car despite dave telling you down the pub how he fitted a JB4 and downpipes and is now as fast as an M4. Their limitations are exactly as you have described and the R&D and bespoke chassis parts on the M cars is very noticeable if you drive back to back. A mapped 140i has some pace but on standard brakes and chassis it gets out of shape quickly. Birds do a great diff and suspension upgrade but then you are closing the gap on the price of an M2.
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If I can get my career back on track amongst this about to fall over for 10 years economy then perhaps the new 4wd M3/4 be the next target in 3 years or so. I expect by then the E46 M3 CS I'd love will be out of reach price wise or hard to justify.
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My old e46m

Gosh this must have been over 10yrs ago I sold it!

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OMG I am jizzing everywhere
SetH
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Although Colin, look at what you have now! such a baller
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Iíd still like the old M back. Some car in its day, sure classic today.

Think I took 14k for it and have since seen it for sale for 19k
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Only 100 cars made in silverstone allegedly.
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Only 100 cars made in silverstone allegedly.


It's a stunning colour, had the silverstone II on my M4 with same interior quite refreshing in a world of white, blacks and greys.
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Silverstone I was a lot more predominantly blue than the silverstone II.

Both look great, I canít think of many better colour for bmw

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