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Tiger

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7th Jan 15 at 15:47

They shouted "We have avenged the prophet mahommed" apparently. Pretty open and shut case IMO

Ben G

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7th Jan 15 at 15:50

Meh, I can say that

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7th Jan 15 at 16:04

I was in Paris in October, there was a substantial anti terror presence on the Metro and around the tourist sites. And I'm not talking just some Gendarmes mincing about, im talking FA-MAS carrying Army infantry in full fatigues. This was after they raised the threat level. Guess there weren't any army chaps near the journalists offices tho

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7th Jan 15 at 18:59

theyre stopping using famas soon.. not relevant but thought you may need to know

Jambo

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7th Jan 15 at 19:25

I had a Tokyo Marui FA-MASsv fully electric BB gun. True story.

Tiger

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7th Jan 15 at 21:24

I think the world needs to accept that God doesn't exist and never did. Fairy tales are lovely before your brain matures enough to realise that it's the most ridiculous concept going. Lovely concept to sooth a concerned mind but seriously. It's time some world leaders got together and admitted its not true and end the madness.

[Edited on 07-01-2015 by Tiger]

Ben G

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8th Jan 15 at 11:38

So another police woman shot and killed by 2 armoured gunmen after a car crash.

One of the 3 suspects handed himself in, the 2 brothers are still on the run.

This is like the Boston bombing all over again.

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8th Jan 15 at 15:35

I'm sorry but this seems to be a massive case of poking the hornet's nest here. Yes, the people who worked at Charlie Hebdo didn't deserve to die for printing cartoons or satire however they must have know that they were stoking the fire.

It's not like it was the first time their offices had been targeted and it's not like they've never been controversial beforehand.

The people who worked there knew what they were printing, they knew that they'd ruffle some feathers, they weren't totally innocent in this event.

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8th Jan 15 at 15:51

'In 2011, the satirical publication was firebombed after naming the Prophet Muhammad as its editor-in-chief'

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8th Jan 15 at 16:20

quote:
Originally posted by Robin
The people who worked there knew what they were printing, they knew that they'd ruffle some feathers, they weren't totally innocent in this event.

That's certainly true, however, I'm not sure the reasonable response is to kill everybody with assault rifles.

Robin

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8th Jan 15 at 16:32

Totally agree.

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8th Jan 15 at 16:53

quote:
Originally posted by Robin
I'm sorry but this seems to be a massive case of poking the hornet's nest here. Yes, the people who worked at Charlie Hebdo didn't deserve to die for printing cartoons or satire however they must have know that they were stoking the fire.

It's not like it was the first time their offices had been targeted and it's not like they've never been controversial beforehand.

The people who worked there knew what they were printing, they knew that they'd ruffle some feathers, they weren't totally innocent in this event.

Odd post, what's the point your trying to make

Of course they new exactly what they where doing

If they arnt totally innocent, what where they guilty of?

Robin

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8th Jan 15 at 17:08

My point is that they're being touted as innocent victims, I'd argue that inciting racial hatred, printing anti islam, anti Semitic and other anti religious cartoons and so on is not the work of the innocent.

This was a targeted attack on a specific organisation, by a couple of people who they seemed to set out to offend from the outset, not an act of terrorism against innocent parties.

I agree that walking into somewhere and killing people with assault rifles isn't cricket but the media, literally everyone in the media who has ever been involved with comedy, writing, cartoons, news or whatever, is trying to make out that it is ok to be anti everything and publish stuff with the sole intention of causing hate.

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8th Jan 15 at 17:16

Its the right of the free to question everything, especially those in power, or in higher respect.

Charlie hebdot have mocked Jews, Christians and Muslims. Only one religion deemed a cartoon worthy of murdering 12 people.

Freedom of speech.

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8th Jan 15 at 17:20

Freedom of speech wouldn't get you out of court if you called a black man a coon.

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8th Jan 15 at 17:30

I don't think they where anti any religon - they simply pointed out hypocrisies as they saw it in any part of politics, religon etc

Also I don't think you understand what inciting racial hatred is. Mocking / questioning something is compleatly different to encouraging hate.

I , and lots of other people think they where 100% innocent. If you are going to say they are guilty of something at least be specific. Ruffling a few feathers dosnt really cut it

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8th Jan 15 at 17:33

quote:
Originally posted by Robin
Freedom of speech wouldn't get you out of court if you called a black man a coon.

Correct

A black man has no say in his skin colour so can't be mocked for it

If you choose to believe in sky faires that your free choice and people can question it

I don't make the rules, but that is what they are

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8th Jan 15 at 17:34

quote:
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Freedom of speech wouldn't get you out of court if you called a black man a coon.

I wasn't aware Charlie hebdo printed papers with headlines calling Muslims towel heads?

Your point is ridiculous and pointless.

We're entitled to free speech.

I've seen pics of Jesus Christ fucking himself on facebook. Should I get angry at that? Or should I just laugh or ignore it because it means nothing?

Jambo

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8th Jan 15 at 17:41

Pretty sure the BNP call black people all sorts of things.

Robin

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8th Jan 15 at 17:43

quote:
Originally posted by Ben G

quote:
Originally posted by Robin
Freedom of speech wouldn't get you out of court if you called a black man a coon.

Your point is ridiculous and pointless.

It's also free speech, I'm quite clearly allowed to express my opinion without worrying about the comeback.

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8th Jan 15 at 17:44

Also Ben, just because you're not offended by an image on facebook mocking a religion, that doesn't mean it's not offensive and people shouldn't be allowed to express their disgust over it.

Jambo

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8th Jan 15 at 17:51

Expressing disgust and murdering unarmed journalists and artists are two completely different things.

Ben G

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8th Jan 15 at 17:51

Would you say murdering people is a good way of expressng your disgust?

Robin

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8th Jan 15 at 17:54

I'm fairly certain I said I don't agree with their methods but I, personally, don't feel that the 'journalists' were completely innocent, nothing in what I have said has implied that murder is justified, stop twisting what I'm saying.

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8th Jan 15 at 18:01

I don't think anyone needs to tbh

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