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Tom B
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14th Jun 13 at 22:53   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Im looking at building a garage on the side of my house. Was hoping to get around the planning permission as apparently you dont normally need it for small garages. So I wrote to the council paid 27, sent in a sketch and they replied saying that I need to apply for planning permission
They state :
Delelopment is not permitted by Class A
1) the enlarged part of the dwellinghouse would extend behond a wall forming the side elevation of the dwellinghouse.
2) and would have a width greater than half the width of the orginal dwellinghouse.

Any ideas what I can do or how do I go about planning permission? Someone said I need to pay someone to sketch it and and then pay to send it off and all sorts. I dont fully understand it but its sounding expensive. Lots of people want to do the work but dont want to help me with this bit

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Sketch I sent to council :


[Edited on 14-06-2013 by Tom B]
MarkM
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15th Jun 13 at 07:49   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

They're basically saying its too big of a construction to not need planning permission. You need to approach an architect to have some drawings done so that they can be submitted for planning permission.

[Edited on 15-06-2013 by MarkM]
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There's no way round planning permission unless you reduce the width of the garage.

Maximum width without planning is half your current house, or 2.95m.

if you do need planning the drawings are easy. Floor plans and elevations as existing, and same showing proposed. Super straightforward, really don't need an architect. If you can draw neatly enough hand-drawn scale plans are fine, otherwise anyone who uses cad could draw them up.

If you font know anyone I'm sure there's loads of people on here, me included, who do it for cheapness :-)
Daniel_Corsa
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15th Jun 13 at 09:53   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Also can't see any height .

Building on the boundary like that you are also limited to 2.5m height without planning.

Download google sketch up do some plans and get them submitted.

Unless reduce overall size, move 1m in from boundary you will require planning.


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Piss easy to draw a garage on to that.

Gable window suggest you may need a flat roof, or one with not much of a pitch.

Retaining wall foundations will more than likely need 'beefed' up a bit. Also retaining walls have weep holes at the bottom to let water out, that could be an issue in the future as it could start to penetrate into your garage if the wall is tight against it.

[Edited on 15-06-2013 by sc0ott]
Daniel_Corsa
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Also would you not need a door straight out the back of the house to garden rather than via garage for safety reasons?

Wall matches your garden wall so guessing it you boundary so could remove and build up from that in 4" solids.


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Tom B
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15th Jun 13 at 16:33   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Thanks for the replies lads!

quote:
Originally posted by AndyKent
There's no way round planning permission unless you reduce the width of the garage.

Maximum width without planning is half your current house, or 2.95m.

if you do need planning the drawings are easy. Floor plans and elevations as existing, and same showing proposed. Super straightforward, really don't need an architect. If you can draw neatly enough hand-drawn scale plans are fine, otherwise anyone who uses cad could draw them up.

If you font know anyone I'm sure there's loads of people on here, me included, who do it for cheapness :-)

How much am I looking at buddy?
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel_Corsa
Also can't see any height .

Building on the boundary like that you are also limited to 2.5m height without planning.

Download google sketch up do some plans and get them submitted.

Unless reduce overall size, move 1m in from boundary you will require planning.

It wont be any higher than 2.5m, I was thinking of not having it as wide, then where the gap between garage and wall is I could store my bins. So if I did that I shouldnt require planning?
quote:
Originally posted by sc0ott
Piss easy to draw a garage on to that.

Gable window suggest you may need a flat roof, or one with not much of a pitch.

Retaining wall foundations will more than likely need 'beefed' up a bit. Also retaining walls have weep holes at the bottom to let water out, that could be an issue in the future as it could start to penetrate into your garage if the wall is tight against it.

[Edited on 15-06-2013 by sc0ott]

It will be having a flat roof, im only planning to be here 2-3 years so if it leaks in 10 years time that doesnt bother me
The retaining wall is on the deeds as my wall so that shouldnt be an issue to get that sorted
Tom B
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15th Jun 13 at 16:35   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Daniel_Corsa
Also would you not need a door straight out the back of the house to garden rather than via garage for safety reasons?

Wall matches your garden wall so guessing it you boundary so could remove and build up from that in 4" solids.

Im not sure on that one. A neighbour has the same house as me and his back door goes into garage, pretty shit design but I can live with it.
Boundary wall is my wall yes mate
Daniel_Corsa
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15th Jun 13 at 18:46   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Whats the width at the back?

If you knocked it down to 2800mm from house at front leaves 1000mm gap from boundary.

If leave the same gap at the rear 1000mm from boundary I think you could go to 3m in height via permitted development.

Sketchup is your friend, if not I'll see if get time to sketch it up over weekend.

Send that to council, if they refuse permitted development may aswell submit original plans I think its 170 to submit planning. Can do all the drawings yourself.


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Saying that 2800mm wide external will be tight internally let alone what the width is at the back.


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Putting in for planning is not hard at all and for a garage something you should be able to do yourself.

You could either use old school pencil to draw it up or use something like DrafIT (http://www.cadlogic.com/products/draftit/)

The main thing to do is show what its going to look like, what finish is it etc. They are not worried about how deep the foundations etc are , thats for the building regs (if you need them)

I drew up plans for our porch using DraftIt and had no problems.

Be prepared for a 6-8 week wait once you have submitted your plans.
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what if you had a detached garage in the back garden and drove down the side of the house? could be permitted development then
Tom B
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27th Jul 13 at 10:21   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Need to pull my finger out, been putting this off for ages now, have decided im going to go for planning and have orginal plans put in.
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Tom B
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1st Aug 13 at 17:38   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Anyone willing to draw it up properly for me with the measurements in original pic? So I can send off for plannin without having to pay an architect. Will pay as gift through PayPal?
sc0ott
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2nd Aug 13 at 22:58   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Challenge accepted.
AndyKent
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If Scott doesn't pm me and I'll see what i can do
sc0ott
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Whats the size between the house and retaining wall at the back of the garage?

Tom B
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Thanks lads, I'm not back home u til tomorrow will let you know then
Tom B
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2450mm

 
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