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Author Engine change - From 1.2 8v to 1.6 16v GSI.
konrad983
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Did anyone change his engine to a 1.6 16v GSI? How does this engine perform? Is it powerfull enough to compete with standard CRX Del Sols and to beat them?

Thanks.
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no you wont beat them.

konrad983
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Is there a 2.0 16v engine?
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Btw how much bhp does a standard 1.6 16v (GSI) have pls? If the engine runs with NOS it might be able to beat the Del Sol, I guess!
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a GSi 1.6 is 105Bhp as standard but is pretty tunable because its a DOHC. The better choice is the 2.0l 16v (150Bhp as standard). With this engine and some light tunning you could be looking at 200Bhp per ton which will beat quite alot of cars on the road
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uuuuu... thats nice to hear....
Do u know if a 2.0l 16v fits in a Corsa B? I guess does are generally fitted on Calibras.

By any chance does anyone know the prices for a 1.6 16v and 2.0 16v engines?

Cheers.
MattyB
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the 1.6GSi is 109bhp. The sport is 106bhp.

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firstly how old r u mate???
insurance gonna go up for starters!!!

2.0L conversions are 1000+
u can go for the 1.6 Turbo which wud b better handling!!!!

but i'll go for a 2.0L Turbo so u can leave VTS, 106 GTis etc behind
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quote:
Originally posted by PanaceA
a GSi 1.6 is 105Bhp as standard but is pretty tunable because its a DOHC. The better choice is the 2.0l 16v (150Bhp as standard). With this engine and some light tunning you could be looking at 200Bhp per ton which will beat quite alot of cars on the road


C16XE = 109bhp - 60mph in 9.0 - top end 121mph
X16XE = 106bhp - 60mph in 9.5 - top end 119mph

1.2 to a 1.6 is a good conversion. Wont beat a CRX though. However, spend 1k on the 1600 16v lump (on the right mods) will see it to around 135-150bhp. Torque wont be as good as a 2.0litre (C20XE), but thats understandable.

1.6 16v turbo = bad idea. Too many problems unless ur prepared to be shelling out on a decent upgrade, none of this courtney crap!

2.0litre turbo, bad idea also really. Spin up easy, insurance nightmare.

From a 1.2, a 1.6 is a good conversion. Andy H is runnign 220bhp on Throttle bodies from his 1.6 16v, 60 should be hit in around 5 secounds now, top speed at last recording in 1.5 miles was 135mph. Slow they are not. De-tuned from 150bhp to conserve fuel and lower emissions, and to stop showing up teh 2.0litre redtop brother.
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quote:
Originally posted by konrad983
uuuuu... thats nice to hear....
Do u know if a 2.0l 16v fits in a Corsa B? I guess does are generally fitted on Calibras.

By any chance does anyone know the prices for a 1.6 16v and 2.0 16v engines?

Cheers.


Redtop (2.0litre) will be around 400, but higher milage.
1.6 16v, sort after engine, around 400-500
konrad983
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Thanks for the detailed info Diamo B.

If I change the engine to a 1.6 16v, do i need to change a lot of parts?





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I got a quote to drop a 2.0l lump into a corsa for 5000. This includes,

2.0 16V (not turbo)
Induction Kit
Full stainless steel exhaust
Superchip = 185 BHP
Chrome Rocker Cover


[Edited on 06-04-2003 by Corsa_Project]
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Thanks for the quote Corsa_Project.

If i just replace the 1.2 8v engine to a 1.6 16v, i could use the same induction kit and exhaust sytem. I would probably need to change the manafold.

I would have to include a rev counter too as the 1.2 8v model does not include one.

But i guess that would be enough to make the 1.6 16v running. (i know if wont be the fastest 1.6 16v but i'm trying to find out the minimum requirements to make the engine work.)

What do you think guys?
konrad983
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And what about the gear box? My gearbox seems to have short ratios. I guess i would need to make some alterations in it aswell.

Changing an engine seems to be a complex job!!

Any clue on how long it take to change the engine(from a 1.2 to 1.6)?
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Need to upgrade your stoppers as well mate
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U can buy a C20Xe, with Gearbox and wiring loom etc from around 400-600. Fitting kit is 500 ish and people like Lee Mitchell and Beardy fit them for about 500.

U can take your car there one day, and drive away a few days later with a 2.0litre conversion for around 1500. 5000 is a Courtnay bite your arm off if your a mug type price.

A 2.0litre conversion should cost around 1500-2000 to be done.
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Konrad - if you've a short ratio gearbox, keep it.

Do you not have the option of buying a standard GSi?


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quote:
Originally posted by Daimo B
U can buy a C20Xe, with Gearbox and wiring loom etc from around 400-600. Fitting kit is 500 ish and people like Lee Mitchell and Beardy fit them for about 500.



What car is the C20Xe from? What sort of age and millage would you expect on that eng at that price??

Cheers!!
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the 20xe is from the Cavalier, Astra mk2/3 and Calibra. That sort of price will see a 80k miler, but remember that these engines are solid as anything when looked after and will see 150k miles with ease. Konrad it would be so much simpler to get hold of a GSi or Sport.

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Mate PM beardy as i think hes done this conversion before, he will tell u whats needed
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Konrad - if you've a short ratio gearbox, keep it.

Do you not have the option of buying a standard GSi?


Ian - my current gear box that i have is of a 1.2 8v. I dont have a long ratio gear box yet. But if i use my current gear box wont i have more acceleration (if this gear box matches with the gsi)? I think i would have a problem with top speed then.
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Yeah, thats what i think is the best, a GSI. I guess a 2.0ltr drinks too much fuel!! and i use my car everyday.
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Cheers luca2020, i will ask.
Cybermonkey
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the 1.2 gearbox is totally unsuitable. You will eat through it in no time. And the ratios of the 1.2 gearbox are really really shit. You should stick with the f17 gearbox from the GSi really, or you wil be forking out for a new one anyway. Also make sure you are using the 1.6 driveshafts since the 1.2 ones will not be up to the job.

Dave
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Thanks mate, iwill change it.

Btw this morning an idiot just hit me from behind! His breaks failed and smashed my rear bumper and door!

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