mantamark
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Neo, it was a straight section of the road, and there are some hefty ditches on either side, quite lucky really, as just a bit further down there is a massive drop to the left that ends up in a stream.
I know of quite a few people who have crashed on this road, and they are never light smashes.
If you wernt there, you cant comment really, bring your car up, and find the Beehive road, see what you make of it.
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RS6
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surely it should be running in at this early stage of ownership, taking it steady
awaits abuse
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The rar brakes didnt lock due to a fault
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Hamish
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Originally posted by ed
Cars crumple like crazy, they're made out of foil these days and an object that weighs in the region of a tonne going at 45 mph has a hell of a lot of energy to dissipate somewhere.
My crash was at least 40mph if not more. My car looked nothing like that
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Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by RS6
surely it should be running in at this early stage of ownership, taking it steady
awaits abuse
ran in from factory
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mantamark
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this is a pic of the road, not mine, but gives you an idea.
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mantamark
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Hamish, was yours a straight forward bump into an inaminate object?
this was off the road, rolling, which i don't think you can compare to yours.
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Nic Barnes
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quote:
Originally posted by mantamark
Hamish, was yours a straight forward bump into an inaminate object?
this was off the road, rolling, which i don't think you can compare to yours.
id give up. the internet conclusions have been made without knowing any facts about what happened. even if you know the truth, you will never defeat the internet conclusion kids.
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Hamish
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quote:
Originally posted by mantamark
Hamish, was yours a straight forward bump into an inaminate object?
this was off the road, rolling, which i don't think you can compare to yours.
no. Another car going between 40-60mph
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Neo
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I've seen a pug rolled at 70 still more distinguishable.
No Nic i don't work for Police investigation etc.
I hit a fox on the M3, no thought to try and brake. Rear brakes, imo wouldnt lock at 45 unless they were very suddenly pressed.
I still think it was due to lack of driving ability/too fast for the conditions.
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mantamark
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I'm not claiming to know the truth, i'm claiming to know the road, and the lad, i have relayed the information given to me.
Does anyone realise this isnt someone who has just passed his test & has owned about 7 other cars?
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AndyCorsaSport
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quote:
Originally posted by Hamish
quote:
Originally posted by ed
Cars crumple like crazy, they're made out of foil these days and an object that weighs in the region of a tonne going at 45 mph has a hell of a lot of energy to dissipate somewhere.
My crash was at least 40mph if not more. My car looked nothing like that
That car would be what, 8, 9 years old? Metal is soooooo different now a days, and cars are designed to crumple a hell of a lot more now than they used to too. Still must have been doing some, but at the end of the day, its a fucking car, a persons life could have been lost here and all you lot can moan about is 1 car less out of 500 that were made, who gives a shit.
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Nic Barnes
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quote:
Originally posted by Neo
I've seen a pug rolled at 70 still more distinguishable.
No Nic i don't work for Police investigation etc.
I hit a fox on the M3, no thought to try and brake. Rear brakes, imo wouldnt lock at 45 unless they were very suddenly pressed.
I still think it was due to lack of driving ability/too fast for the conditions.
do you not think thats the first thing the police will have thought and tried for dangerous driving? as is usually the case. yet no charges made. suggests that internet conclusions arent really what happened?
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Neo
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quote:
Originally posted by mantamark
Does anyone realise this isnt someone who has just passed his test & has owned about 7 other cars?
Doesnt affect driving ability.
I know people who are on their 4th or 5th car and only driving for a year and 6 months. Doesnt mean they are good drivers.
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Graham88
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All crashes are different, too many different factors mean no 2 crashes are ever the same.
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RS6
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just a shame really, a car like that, none of us can afford ends up like that! when its just been made, hope the chap is alright and all that! don't get me wrong, what a mess, if it was a fault thats pretty poor the car will be checked out surely
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mantamark
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Will update this thread with any further info, i hope it is proven there is a fault, just to piss some of you guys off.
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AndyCorsaSport
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quote:
Originally posted by mantamark
Will update this thread with any further info, i hope it is proven there is a fault, just to piss some of you guys off.
Me too actually mate, but who gives a shit anyway, aslong as the guys alrite!!
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Ian
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
suggests that internet conclusions arent really what happened?
No, it suggests that there's insufficient evidence to prosecute.
If I was on a ragga in a car I couldn't handle I would blame the car as well.
Odds of a production car being faulty and locking the brakes - slim
Odds of that production car being the top of the range high-powered model - slim
Odds of it happening on a road which is notorious for accidents because it catches you out - slim
Multiple of the above - slim cubed.
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Neo
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If the brakes are blamed all will be recalled.
I agree with Ian, insufficiant evidence etc.
I' shocked they are only 16k, so not really unaffordable !
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Originally posted by RS6
surely it should be running in at this early stage of ownership, taking it steady
awaits abuse
To be fair, if the driver is telling truth and was doing 45 mph, I'd class that as well below running in sort of speeds. If the road was a 60 mph road, I'd quite happily cruise along it at 60 mph in a brand new car while running it in, especially on a VXR with a 6 speed gearbox.
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Originally posted by Hamish
My crash was at least 40mph if not more. My car looked nothing like that
[img]http://www.corsasport.co.uk/carimages/6514/dsc000088.jpg[/ img]
As Ed and Andy have both said, cars these days are designed to completely crumple to absorb the impact, thats what passenger safety is all about. Exactly as Ed said, there is a lot of energy that needs to be absorbed in a crash like that, so anything which isn't absorbed by reshaping the metalwork will pass through to reshapen the people inside instead.
I'm not coming to any conclusions at all about the speed the driver was doing, or whether there were failed rear brakes or anything, but just making a couple of points I deem relevant from the posts I've read.
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Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by Neo
If the brakes are blamed all will be recalled.
I agree with Ian, insufficiant evidence etc.
I' shocked they are only 16k, so not really unaffordable !
yeah i agree with ian aswell. wont be the evidence. doesnt mean it isnt the truth though or is that just impossible for someone not to be at fault?
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Ian
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The brakes could have failed. My question largely hinges on whether that would have more likely happened to a 1 litre in a high street somewhere if it was going to effect a random Corsa on a random day.
Not a limited edition car on a county lane. It's just less likely.
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Nic Barnes
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have there been any recalls on the new corsa yet? i cant think ive heard of any
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AndyCorsaSport
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quote:
Originally posted by tom_simes
quote:
Originally posted by RS6
surely it should be running in at this early stage of ownership, taking it steady
awaits abuse
To be fair, if the driver is telling truth and was doing 45 mph, I'd class that as well below running in sort of speeds. If the road was a 60 mph road, I'd quite happily cruise along it at 60 mph in a brand new car while running it in, especially on a VXR with a 6 speed gearbox.
Cars dont need running in now like how they used to.
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