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can someone exlain why sonys issues with its memroy/mem bus etc are not a major facotr in its future performance.
and also why the 'hard to program' issue is not really a problem.
[Edited on 21-03-2007 by topshot_2k]
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When I was into it years ago when it was being argued about you just had to be more efficient with your coding to get round the memory architecture.
There was plenty of bandwidth on the bus it used though if you program it properly.
I'm well out of touch now though.
You need to code differently and spend more time working out how to do things on the ps3.
Time and cost are related so I imagine developers are looking at it from that perspective, in which case yes I can agree the 360 will be better to develop for.
I will research the latest on this tomorrow if I happen to get a chance in work.
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so it could either mean more expensive games or not as good quality?
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John
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Yes.
If they have to develop in the same timescale at same costs as the 360 they wouldn't be using the full resources of the ps3.
As I said though this is from literally years ago, i'm well out of date so things could have changed.
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It COULD mean that but it could also mean that give it a year or so then we could start to see some stunning games.
Think how long it took for them to get the hang of the PS2 - years!!.
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John
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Yes games for both systems will definitely improve with age.
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also interesting to note all new ps3 games for the time being will be 360 ports
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yes i pointed this out before steve, it fell on deaf ears though
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The one thing that is worth mentioning is that people keep comparing the main system bus speed of the PS3, against the eDRAM bus speed (effectively a framebuffer?) on the Xbox.
At least compare like for like -- not that you really can when the architectures are so different.
I'm no fan boy, but unless you have actually programmed for the device and profiled it you can't really speculate on where the bottlenecks exist.
I'm not saying one is better than the other -- give it 12 months and it'll be a different conversation I'm sure...
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quote:
Originally posted by Tim
The one thing that is worth mentioning is that people keep comparing the main system bus speed of the PS3, against the eDRAM bus speed (effectively a framebuffer?) on the Xbox.
At least compare like for like -- not that you really can when the architectures are so different.
I'm no fan boy, but unless you have actually programmed for the device and profiled it you can't really speculate on where the bottlenecks exist.
I'm not saying one is better than the other -- give it 12 months and it'll be a different conversation I'm sure...
did you read what that games developer said? straight from the horses mouth
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this isnt a comparison thread, fact is there has been potential/real issues with the PS3's design, i cant find anything that states what solutin is in the pipeline etc
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That's one opinion -- I know Cell developers and I know standard sparc/x86 developers, who would have no clue what the other were talking about.
It's one opinion on the internet, which we all know is full of BS. At the end of the days it plays game, at slightly varying FPS, and with comparable features (i.e. high definition movie playback) they don't cost all that much different. Can't we just all agree to disagree?
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
also interesting to note all new ps3 games for the time being will be 360 ports
Motorstorm, F1?
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what about the fact the PS3 has vastly under powered GPU compared to its rival?
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quote:
Originally posted by Tiesto
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Originally posted by Steve
also interesting to note all new ps3 games for the time being will be 360 ports
Motorstorm, F1?
Call of duty, Fight night, Football games etc etc
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quote:
Originally posted by Tiesto
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Originally posted by Steve
also interesting to note all new ps3 games for the time being will be 360 ports
Motorstorm, F1?
they release titles?
i mean games that are already out that are sposed to be for both consoles
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quote:
Originally posted by Tim
That's one opinion
maybe so, but out of everyone here i would have said he was the most qualified to form that opinion
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by Tim
That's one opinion
maybe so, but out of everyone here i would have said he was the most qualified to form that opinion
google for another 30mins and you will see a cell developer saying the complete opposite 
like tim said, time for everyone to agree to disagree
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That's what I'm trying to say. We do a lot of work on Cell/Power/Sparc T1 processors and yes, if you run the same shader engine on all three then one will come out on top. It's the program design not the potential of the hardware.
That developer you cite Steve did also point this out -- the PS3 (if programmed for directly, rather than porting), has the potential to do things the Xbox never could.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dom
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by Tim
That's one opinion
maybe so, but out of everyone here i would have said he was the most qualified to form that opinion
google for another 30mins and you will see a cell developer saying the complete opposite
like tim said, time for everyone to agree to disagree
in case you didnt read, he develops for both the ps3 and the 360 so he is a cell developer
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im happy about agreeing to disagree
i just think there is more evidence out there to support our argument at the moment that is all
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Tim
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I could throw around stats that are much higher on the PS3, but I think both sides of this argument will never concede... 
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John
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That is my point as well Tim, for every article they manage to google I could google another one saying the complete opposite.
When you don't quite know what your talking about though and you have to for some reason try and justify your purchase every minute of every day, they for some reason don't get this.
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show me articles that show the gpu on the ps3 is better?
show me articles that show the memory bus is faster, in fact show me any article that shows the ps3 is faster apart from its cell processor as we already know that is faster but hampered
[Edited on 21-03-2007 by Steve]
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