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Rocky
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   8th Mar 05 at 18:22   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

need your professional help here i been told i got to have a better amp to power my sub to its full potenital which is Pioneer 12" sub 600w max , i got a Pioneer amp, 2 x 50w RMS or 1 x 200 max High pass and Low pass filters at this moment and been told that i need much powerful amp to make this run more comfortable instead of buying a new sub if you get me

as now iam getting rid off my 6x9s as its destrorying the sound off the sub

opnions please cheers
Rocky
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8th Mar 05 at 18:23   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

this is what bloke said on corsasport ice electircs abt the situation

Your Pioneer amp ain't nowhere near powerful enough to run that sub.

That sub is 300w RMS and you'll be lucky to get 120w RMS from that amp in bridged mode.

You need ro put a least 350w RMS through that sub to run it comfortably.

BTW MAX power figures mean nothing.
Rocky
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8th Mar 05 at 18:23   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

or shall i get another one of these subs Pioneer 12" sub 600w max beside it and get a much better amp to power both off these is this possible and should be much more bass to them is this poss kev cheers
Korsa
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8th Mar 05 at 19:25   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

yea look for a 300 - 400w rms (not max) amp.....

2 subs will be more powerfull, but again you'll need twice the power amp again...
Rocky
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8th Mar 05 at 19:34   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

would i need another power cable again if i have another sub in or can i connect it to the other one some way???
Korsa
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8th Mar 05 at 19:42   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

power to the sub..... are you mad.....

power cables go to the amp... and you wouldn't need another one so long as it could handle the power....

would just need two throws of cable off the amp into each sub...
Rocky
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8th Mar 05 at 19:48   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

sorry for that error
Rocky
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8th Mar 05 at 22:02   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Right i have been told i got to get these

1000-1200 two channel amp to make things easier.
Nice thick 4gauge wiring kit.
Possibly a 1-2.4 farad cap to keep voltage high in the vehicle.
Korsa
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8th Mar 05 at 22:04   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

what amp will that be, wont be cheap if its 1200w rms
Rocky
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8th Mar 05 at 22:14   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

getting some good prices off a audio centre
Rocky
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8th Mar 05 at 22:14   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

he doing prices 2moro
Rocky
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   9th Mar 05 at 19:19   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

This Should Be my Final design on my install i been told the got the quality in sound and will do the job this wat should be going in

(Two) Pioneer 12" suba 600w max 220-250rms (each side)
Legacy LA570. The power of the amp is 2 x 400Watts (with remote bass controller) 99.99
1.2 farad cap also by legacy called the LCA120DBL for 59.99

Might Have Some New front components installed if i can afford it Legacy components 100w rms and 240w max.

what u think then peeps
mentalasanything
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9th Mar 05 at 20:26   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Rocky
This Should Be my Final design on my install i been told the got the quality in sound and will do the job this wat should be going in

(Two) Pioneer 12" suba 600w max 220-250rms (each side)
Legacy LA570. The power of the amp is 2 x 400Watts (with remote bass controller) 99.99
1.2 farad cap also by legacy called the LCA120DBL for 59.99

Might Have Some New front components installed if i can afford it Legacy components 100w rms and 240w max.

what u think then peeps


That's basically what I've got, but without the cap + with an older LA600 2x400w amp. Have u got the pioneer VCCS subs? if so this should sound wicked! I also have a set of JBL comps in front + a set of JBL 6x9's running off a 2x200w amp (on high pass) in a stealth shelf in rear!

[Edited on 09-03-2005 by mentalasanything]
Korsa
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10th Mar 05 at 09:13   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

220w rms will sound ok, not mega but nice....
Richie
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10th Mar 05 at 10:46   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Dont bother with the cap bud it wont benefit you
kev_corsa
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10th Mar 05 at 13:17   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Rocky
This Should Be my Final design on my install i been told the got the quality in sound and will do the job this wat should be going in

(Two) Pioneer 12" suba 600w max 220-250rms (each side)
Legacy LA570. The power of the amp is 2 x 400Watts (with remote bass controller) 99.99
1.2 farad cap also by legacy called the LCA120DBL for 59.99

Might Have Some New front components installed if i can afford it Legacy components 100w rms and 240w max.

what u think then peeps


is that 400W RMS for the amp? or peak?

and yeh, i agree with richie about the cap, spend it on upgrading wiring etc first. Although, it does smooth out the supply a bit more (like in power supply design) and stops the lights from dimming as much. Also it will reduce the strain on your battery, as batteries arent really designed for rapid discharge, so it will be of sligh benifit and if its part of the design of your build u may as well include it.
Rocky
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10th Mar 05 at 20:08   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

can have more advice off you kev for this matey cheers check this long post out cheers

http://web1.uh-hosting.co.uk/~swcc/forums/index.php?showtopic=36265
Rocky
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10th Mar 05 at 20:38   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

right boss looks like i finalised everything now

Have to get a nice set of mint components on the front sound proof them and hook them up to my amp i previsouley got now

Hook the 2 pionner subs up to a nice powerful amp sepretly does that sound right???

by the way shall i hook up the standard corsa speakers up or just leave unhooked ????
Richie
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10th Mar 05 at 21:40   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

kev, cap will increase battery strain when played loud, proved it with my yellow top
Richie
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10th Mar 05 at 21:40   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

my system sounded better without the cap
kev_corsa
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12th Mar 05 at 20:32   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Richie
kev, cap will increase battery strain when played loud, proved it with my yellow top


well, it wont increase battery 'strain' but it will increase overall current draw. But, as batteries arent designed to be discharged quickly, they will help to improve excessive ramps of current draw from the battery. So, yes, overall current draw will be higher due to leakage, but the time taken is longer and so you have less of a steep slope.
Rocky
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13th Mar 05 at 16:52   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

kev mate you dont really think now i need another sub in there as my one is running sufficent enough?? all i need now is too tidy the boot up now i think any ideas mate
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13th Mar 05 at 19:02   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

it all depends mate, if your happy with the way it is sounding now, then its pointless payin more money on upgrading. But if u want it too look good, take a look around at some installs and see wot u fancy doing....
Rocky
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13th Mar 05 at 19:03   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

did you get a price mate on that box ??

 
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