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Tom

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12th Jan 12 at 09:02

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Originally posted by Cavey
And I completely disagree with reviewing these tackles in game. As you said to, its the refs interpretation, what's to say he wouldn't watch the replay and stick by his own decision anyway, that'd be 30 seconds-2 mins wasted already.

If you're taking it out of the refs hands completely and leaving it to a 4th official to give a decision then that's just pointless, and will never happen

How many red card situations do you have in a game normally? How many goal line was it / wasn't it situations? I'm not talking about reviewing every decision, just the 'big' ones, limit it to 2/3 per game or something.

Ben J

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12th Jan 12 at 09:04

Just need 5th official in front of monitors. Ref not sure, he gets straight on mic to 5th official who has a look and makes decision.

10-15 seconds?

Cavey

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12th Jan 12 at 09:04

It'd need to be like the American Football review system though. Viewed from a few angles, making sure they get the second decision correct, it'd take a couple of minutes for each one. I not gonna agree with you on that.

Tom

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12th Jan 12 at 09:09

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Originally posted by Ben J
Just need 5th official in front of monitors. Ref not sure, he gets straight on mic to 5th official who has a look and makes decision.

10-15 seconds?

Exactly, doesn't have to be too intrusive to the flow. Yes you may need a few angles which takes max of what, 45 seconds? This would only happen once or twice a game imo, something needs to change.

Jamie Walby

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12th Jan 12 at 09:28

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Originally posted by Tom

quote:
Originally posted by Cavey
And I completely disagree with reviewing these tackles in game. As you said to, its the refs interpretation, what's to say he wouldn't watch the replay and stick by his own decision anyway, that'd be 30 seconds-2 mins wasted already.

If you're taking it out of the refs hands completely and leaving it to a 4th official to give a decision then that's just pointless, and will never happen

limit it to 2/3 per game or something.

Like the review system in tennis?

Tom

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12th Jan 12 at 09:41

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Originally posted by Jamie Walby

quote:
Originally posted by Tom

quote:
Originally posted by Cavey
And I completely disagree with reviewing these tackles in game. As you said to, its the refs interpretation, what's to say he wouldn't watch the replay and stick by his own decision anyway, that'd be 30 seconds-2 mins wasted already.

If you're taking it out of the refs hands completely and leaving it to a 4th official to give a decision then that's just pointless, and will never happen

limit it to 2/3 per game or something.

Like the review system in tennis?

Yeah, I understand the arguement against it but I don't see why it has to become a side show (no need to have big screens showing the replays to the crowd etc)

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12th Jan 12 at 09:47

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Happy to be proved wrong if there's anything on YouTube?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj93su6kDr4

Tom

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12th Jan 12 at 09:48

Ben J

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12th Jan 12 at 09:48

Potentially worse than Kompany's.

Ian

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12th Jan 12 at 09:53

Really? Same pace, opposing direction, ball in play?

Tom

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12th Jan 12 at 09:55

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Originally posted by Ben J
Potentially worse than Kompany's.

I don't understand this, his feet left the ground but were pretty much on the deck when he won the ball. He didn't take Lescott out, he got the ball. Who's to say Lescott's challenge if he hadn't pulled out/jumped over the ball wouldn't have been dangerous ffs.

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12th Jan 12 at 09:56

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quote:
Originally posted by Cavey
Happy to be proved wrong if there's anything on YouTube?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj93su6kDr4

Personally I think that's worse the Kompanys. Kompanys was more scissors than a stamping motion. (re-watched it this morning)

9/10 Johnson would of been off for that. The commentators actually made a good point that it was down to the situation and the match it was in. That was 90th min, not a Manchester derby so there was much less pressure on the ref, who in fairness had a good game yesterday.

Ben J

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12th Jan 12 at 09:56

Studs up right through the challenge.

Whittie

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12th Jan 12 at 10:02

Johnson or Kompanys tackels were sending offs.

Enjoyed the game though! Crazy playing 6 defenders.

We've got the upper hand for the replay, home and an away goal. Happy Days

Jamie Walby

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12th Jan 12 at 10:05

quote:
Originally posted by Tom

quote:
Originally posted by Jamie Walby

quote:
Originally posted by Tom

quote:
Originally posted by Cavey
And I completely disagree with reviewing these tackles in game. As you said to, its the refs interpretation, what's to say he wouldn't watch the replay and stick by his own decision anyway, that'd be 30 seconds-2 mins wasted already.

If you're taking it out of the refs hands completely and leaving it to a 4th official to give a decision then that's just pointless, and will never happen

limit it to 2/3 per game or something.

Like the review system in tennis?

Yeah, I understand the arguement against it but I don't see why it has to become a side show (no need to have big screens showing the replays to the crowd etc)

I watch a lot of sports and majority of them use some kind of review/video replay/3rd umpire system but none of them are as fluid as football so it video replays work in those sports. I think I share the same views as you on this Tom

Do you think it would work to just have a 5th ref up in the stands out the way with a shed load of TV screens and it would be up to the ref to call up to him if he isn't sure on something...... thats if they HAD to have it.

Personally not having it makes football a better sport IMO.

Jamie Walby

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12th Jan 12 at 10:08

quote:
Originally posted by Cavey

quote:
Originally posted by Ian

quote:
Originally posted by Cavey
Happy to be proved wrong if there's anything on YouTube?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj93su6kDr4

Personally I think that's worse the Kompanys. Kompanys was more scissors than a stamping motion. (re-watched it this morning)

9/10 Johnson would of been off for that. The commentators actually made a good point that it was down to the situation and the match it was in. That was 90th min, not a Manchester derby so there was much less pressure on the ref, who in fairness had a good game yesterday.

Agree. From one angle I saw last night, IF Lescotts standing leg had been a couple of inches more in one direction he would be looking at a broken leg/ankle, it still took a slight hit as it was. With Kompanys I don't think Nani was ever in any danger. The fact that Nani of all players didn't flop around on the floor for 10 minutes and instead turned round and ran after the ball suggests the tackle wasn't as bad as the ref and Rooney thought it was.

Tom

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12th Jan 12 at 10:18

quote:
Originally posted by Whittie
Johnson or Kompanys tackels were sending offs.

Enjoyed the game though! Crazy playing 6 defenders.

We've got the upper hand for the replay, home and an away goal. Happy Days

Away goal doesn't count for anything in reality

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12th Jan 12 at 13:22

Johnsons was worse IMO.

Ben G

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12th Jan 12 at 13:40

how was that not a red card?

deluded liverpool fans again in here.

2 feet off the ground, not in control. same argument as vincent kompanys.

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12th Jan 12 at 13:42

Ben G

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12th Jan 12 at 13:43

i was in work so haven't seen the game. was lescott hurt by that at all?

if not, he's very lucky. another inch or 2 and that'd have been an eduardo type break.

Rick Draper

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12th Jan 12 at 13:45

Fucking filthy tackle. Should have been a straight red.

Jamie Walby

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12th Jan 12 at 14:04

And what are your thoughts on Kompanys tackle/red card Rick?

Rick Draper

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12th Jan 12 at 14:08