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Filby1

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15th Jul 07 at 16:58

Going to be Running a x20xev, Turbo'd and throttle bodied at about 450 Bhp rebuilt from the ground up.

Pics to follow, just spent all weekend stripping. it now has nothing but 2 seats steering wheel and any old brackets.

Soon to be ground off and 2 Kevlar seats to be fitted.

2 questions tho.

1. Which Harnesses are we best getting.
2. Multi point or ten point bolt or weld in cage £699/£299
3. which suspension? coilover or standard ?

Any help would be great.

Also is it worth getting the shell seam welded or will the cage sort out strength issues with the shell?

[Edited on 15-07-2007 by Filby1]

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15th Jul 07 at 16:59

with 450bho i wouldnt be runnign standard suspension

broster

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15th Jul 07 at 17:00

sorry but your wanting 450bhp, and you confused about getting coilovers or mcpherson strut design! bit of a no brainer if you ask me!

and id want 3" sholder strap 5+ point harnesses and a weld in 19213874 point cage

Marc

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15th Jul 07 at 17:08

I think he means standard replacement suspension ie Spax, Koni etc...

Nic Barnes

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15th Jul 07 at 17:10

i wouldnt go for turbo and throttle boddies really, one large one with a custom inlet be just as good and probably cheaper

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15th Jul 07 at 17:11

TBH 450bhp FWD track car will be pointless

Steve X16XE

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15th Jul 07 at 17:12

quote:
Originally posted by jr
TBH 450bhp FWD track car will be pointless

Filby1

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15th Jul 07 at 17:12

its more for the project value, and uniqueness of the the turbo/throttle bodies.

Thinking about the pss systems.

Oh and Broster: are we saying the more points the better as far as buying a cage?

Nic Barnes

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15th Jul 07 at 17:12

quote:
Originally posted by jr
TBH 450bhp FWD track car will be pointless

well yeah

Phi

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15th Jul 07 at 17:13

450bhp! jebus... hope you have the funds...

Nic Barnes

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15th Jul 07 at 17:13

quote:
Originally posted by Filby1
its more for the project value, and uniqueness of the the turbo/throttle bodies.

not unique at all, but if you got that kinda cash to waste for no real benefit, go for it

Filby1

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15th Jul 07 at 17:14

. also If the powers there at 450 Bhp it may not have to be run at that power..

broster

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15th Jul 07 at 17:14

disagree to a point! i have driven some very powerful FWD cars, over 360-400bhp, and with the right suspension set up management boost controllers you can have a very fast car!

however i wouldnt do it!

broster

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15th Jul 07 at 17:16

quote:
Originally posted by Filby1
its more for the project value, and uniqueness of the the turbo/throttle bodies.

Thinking about the pss systems.

Oh and Broster: are we saying the more points the better as far as buying a cage?

id want a custom made proper weld in cage to keep the car tied together, seen less power cars been pulled apart.

also the pss system would be good but youd want a custom set up for it IMO, leda style designed for the job not off the shelf!

when you get that kind of power nothing is off the shelf!

as for being unique i can think of one car done with tb's and turbo a long time ago.

for a track car id just go for a big power xe on tb's. or get a duratech in there...........

Phi

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15th Jul 07 at 17:17

400bhp was enough fun in a mk3 ! :-)

Filby1

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15th Jul 07 at 17:20

so with say the x20xev we have running throttle bodies what sort of power at the most and requiring what bits would i need?

Nic Barnes

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15th Jul 07 at 17:23

dont think they make as much as the 20xe's as can get about 300bhp n/a with tb's from one of them, lots of cash involved though. 250 has to be possible from an xev

broster

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15th Jul 07 at 17:24

and it would most likely be faster on track

Nic Barnes

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15th Jul 07 at 17:26

quote:
Originally posted by broster
and it would most likely be faster on track

aye, power isnt everything, its the way it delivers the power it has thats important

Filby1

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15th Jul 07 at 17:29

well its fieed with throttle bodies now now, 270 cams i think but not too sure higher flow in jectors ect. its currently waiting to have a full rolling road setup.

After engine was originaly rebuilt and standard the engine was putting out 140 bhp. not sure what to expect from the bodies. any ideas?

and what could be improved and added to get even more power?

broster

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15th Jul 07 at 17:29

you need rods, pistons, ported head, big cams, or rip it out and fit a c20xe and do the same to it

Nic Barnes

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15th Jul 07 at 17:35

has to be a c20xe really, tried and tested

Filby1

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15th Jul 07 at 17:38

to be honest standard for standard there is nothing in them really never been beaten buy one standard or other wise, the engine as allways pulled well we have the engine we have and the bodies are fitted. some people im sure would say the ecotec is an ok engine too..

Nic Barnes

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15th Jul 07 at 17:42

its ok yes, but the boddies just need a different inlet manifold to fit the c20xe, thats it

up to you though.

Dee

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15th Jul 07 at 18:28

Be careful what this idiot says, he chats the most bullshit on here.

Don't you remember two weeks ago he was buying a LCR? This weeks hes building a 450bhp Astra track car

Just ignore him.

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