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This seemed a bit random to me tbh, i think it's quite a good idea as long as they go to the bottom of the football league and have to work there way up themselves. It works well in Spain why not in England?
http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_2004925,00.html
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Cosmo
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beat you to it by a min 
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Hammer
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I take it it's just been put up on teamtalk then, i just noticed it there
It looks as if they're trying to tear a shred off him for nothing more than voicing a suggestion 
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Not needed IMO. We already have 92 League Clubs, not to mention countless non-league teams, no need for anymore.
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Its just been posted up on SSN, hence why I posted something. I'll delete mine now and post up what I said in here.
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I personally think its the right idea. Current reserves play about 19 games a year, and mostly against either poor youth players from other clubs, returning injured players or senior players who have been put in there and not fully commited.
It would brige that gap between youth teams and first teams (18-21) and could hopefully lead to more British talent coming through form top clubs than we have seen lately.
The thing that gets me is...people complain that not enough English talent is coming through compared to the rest of Europe. But when a similar system to what is working for them is mentioned it gets shot down.
I for one hope the top 4 keep buying in foreign talent and not bothering with bringing home grown players though, as until the system is sorted its a waste of money.
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Not needed IMO. We already have 92 League Clubs, not to mention countless non-league teams, no need for anymore.
What about in terms of future England stars surely nourishing young players together a tier below the first team and then picking the best ones has a knock on effect for the talent you can pick for the national team? Although in saying that the a lot now seems to be overseas talent at the top teams 
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Originally posted by Hammer
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Not needed IMO. We already have 92 League Clubs, not to mention countless non-league teams, no need for anymore.
What about in terms of future England stars surely nourishing young players together a tier below the first team and then picking the best ones has a knock on effect for the talent you can pick for the national team? Although in saying that the a lot now seems to be overseas talent at the top teams
It'd be unfair for the non-league teams IMO. How will they compete with Reserve teams when Reserve teams don't have to worry about survival and finances.
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Originally posted by Nath
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Originally posted by Hammer
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Originally posted by Nath
Not needed IMO. We already have 92 League Clubs, not to mention countless non-league teams, no need for anymore.
What about in terms of future England stars surely nourishing young players together a tier below the first team and then picking the best ones has a knock on effect for the talent you can pick for the national team? Although in saying that the a lot now seems to be overseas talent at the top teams
It'd be unfair for the non-league teams IMO. How will they compete with Reserve teams when Reserve teams don't have to worry about survival and finances.
agreed.
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then maybe its time for people to stop moaning at the big four for not bringing through English talent when the system isnt there to do so?
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True then you'd have other clubs wanting to have their reserve teams allowed to compete along with the big teams which would be another debate.
What about a fully functioning reserve league sponsors, tv deal the lot? or is this just not feasible? I know i'd watch as many games as i can of my own team reserve youth full team the lot.
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the problem is that you'd still have the problem there is now...not enough quality players in that league. And it mainly being full of people coming back from injury and first team players put in there to keep their fitness up and not giving it their all.
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Chelsea wanted to create Chelsea B for their reserves too.
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yeah it isnt just us who want it. Im sure Arsenal and Utd would want it too.
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There is a lot of wasted talent sitting in the stands at the big 4 especially Chelsea with their buying policy. The only way round that just now is loaning them out and a lot of managers don't like that idea be it for whatever reason.
If they were able to play in a lower league but still stay under the first teams umbrella and utilised the way the first team manager wanted guys like Mourinho would be happier.
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I think it's the right way to go aswell, I was only really alerted to it by mourinho a few months back, I can understand the view of the people interested in the smaller clubs/leagues but I like watching top level leagues and it would help develop the competetiveness of young english players too.
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Originally posted by Hammer
There is a lot of wasted talent sitting in the stands at the big 4 especially Chelsea with their buying policy. The only way round that just now is loaning them out and a lot of managers don't like that idea be it for whatever reason.
If they were able to play in a lower league but still stay under the first teams umbrella and utilised the way the first team manager wanted guys like Mourinho would be happier.
exactly.
Id rather there be an age limit set on it though, so it is mainly used for youth development and not to keep players happy...obviously with the exception of returning injured players.
[Edited on 20-03-2007 by Cosmo]
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
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Originally posted by Nath
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Originally posted by Hammer
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Originally posted by Nath
Not needed IMO. We already have 92 League Clubs, not to mention countless non-league teams, no need for anymore.
What about in terms of future England stars surely nourishing young players together a tier below the first team and then picking the best ones has a knock on effect for the talent you can pick for the national team? Although in saying that the a lot now seems to be overseas talent at the top teams
It'd be unfair for the non-league teams IMO. How will they compete with Reserve teams when Reserve teams don't have to worry about survival and finances.
agreed.
They would compete much in the same way as they do now, it's a waste leaving such good plaers in such a shit league. The smaller clubs should evolve the same as everyone else imo.
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and if the lower clubs are playing against better players it could attract bigger crowds and benefit others in that league.
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then maybe its time for people to stop moaning at the big four for not bringing through English talent when the system isnt there to do so?
tbf man utd and im sure the rest are bring threw alot of young talent, maybe not the biggest premiership stars ronaldo's drogba's for instance but from man utd the likes of Jones, McShane, Evans, Foster are imo good enough (maybe in time) to play at premiership and championship level
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Originally posted by Cosmo
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Originally posted by Hammer
There is a lot of wasted talent sitting in the stands at the big 4 especially Chelsea with their buying policy. The only way round that just now is loaning them out and a lot of managers don't like that idea be it for whatever reason.
If they were able to play in a lower league but still stay under the first teams umbrella and utilised the way the first team manager wanted guys like Mourinho would be happier.
exactly.
Id rather there be an age limit set on it though, so it is mainly used for youth development and not to keep players happy...obviously with the exception of returning injured players.
[Edited on 20-03-2007 by Cosmo]
Age limit would be good yeah but then people will question why youth leagues aren't just developed more. I honestly think young english players need to experience real games and real pressure or we'll keep losing our quarter final euro and world cup games on penalties. We have a very strong 1st team for england but they'll keep losing there bottle in big games if they have no-one to push them, we need as many young experienced players to challenge them as possible.
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Originally posted by Cosmo
then maybe its time for people to stop moaning at the big four for not bringing through English talent when the system isnt there to do so?
tbf man utd and im sure the rest are bring threw alot of young talent, maybe not the biggest premiership stars ronaldo's drogba's for instance but from man utd the likes of Jones, McShane, Evans, Foster are imo good enough (maybe in time) to play at premiership and championship level
No-one questioning the talent though, but the fact you put (maybe in time) show's how much confidence we have in young (ultimately inexperienced) players reaching their potential. At the end of the day the premiership aren't gonna start having english only players so the needs of these talented young players and our national team need to be addressed.
[Edited on 20-03-2007 by Tom]
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Originally posted by Mather.16v
tbf man utd and im sure the rest are bring threw alot of young talent, maybe not the biggest premiership stars ronaldo's drogba's for instance but from man utd the likes of Jones, McShane, Evans, Foster are imo good enough (maybe in time) to play at premiership and championship level
There loads, Martins, Rossi, Pique, Jones, Simpson, Lee.
They won't get a game in the first team, but look at the injuries we've had recently when we could have doen with the likes of Rossi and Jones.
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Originally posted by Mather.16v
tbf man utd and im sure the rest are bring threw alot of young talent, maybe not the biggest premiership stars ronaldo's drogba's for instance but from man utd the likes of Jones, McShane, Evans, Foster are imo good enough (maybe in time) to play at premiership and championship level
yeah, we all have them coming through. But its a case of those kind of players needing proper football experience between youth levels and first team (like Foster now), and they just dont get that, and that probably prevents a lot of the development of players who could potentially be great.
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I think although alot of Reserves don't get to properly compete, the current systme where by most 'big' clubs loan out youngsters works fine. It's proper football, with real rewards. A reserve team playing in a normal league will devalue it IMO. The likes of Grays Athletic will get trounced by Chelski Reserves.
IMHO it's Premiership managers looking out for themselves again. There is already too much money at the top without the possibilty of their Reserves winning stuff and generating money too.
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