John
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Naa not that idiot, another one.
I'm obviously missing the joke here.
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Hammer
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hammer?
If you are insinuating i am an idiot i will be extremly cross with you Steve tbph.
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Blu ray is being outsold by HD
John the xbox does play HD films it only needs a new cbale to support 1080.
PS3 is also noisy compared to a standalone and needs a seperate cable.
PS3 was quietest of the 3 latest consoles on the review I read.
Also there are no concrete hd vs blu ray figures atm, every report you read differs as to what one is ahead in sales.
still loud compared to a stand alone
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Naa not that idiot, another one.
I'm obviously missing the joke here.
there isnt one 
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on topic, what are we appreciating about the PS3? its lateness or its lack of decent architecture?
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Hammer
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Clearly the fact it looks like a George Foreman or the fact you're backing its rival therefore its bound to be better i.e Spurs and Arsenal 
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John
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Topshot I hope you don't want to start an architecture argument because tbh you will be well out of your depth.
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not really, Computer hardware etc is just my thing TBH.
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John
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Your arguments against the ps3 consist of I don't want to be able to play blu-ray.
What problems have you got with the architecture that you haven't found from google and developers haven't already explained why they aren't really that big a deal?
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Your arguments against the ps3 consist of I don't want to be able to play blu-ray.
and the fact he has an emotional bond with his 360 now as has been going out with each other for a few months now.
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Your arguments against the ps3 consist of I don't want to be able to play blu-ray.
What problems have you got with the architecture that you haven't found from google and developers haven't already explained why they aren't really that big a deal?
if they are not a big deal why are we seeing no clear performance increase over a year old console
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if they are not a big deal why are we seeing no clear performance increase over a year old console
please inform us of these problems and why they are a big deal in your opinion.
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John
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did you not see my post about new material earlier on.
So that is the in depth knowledge of computer hardware.
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Also the XBOX 360 DOES output at 1080 over the component
1080i yes. It will try and send 1080p over component, but most TV and monitors will not accept 1080p over component. The only real way to get 1080p is with the VGA cable, which has a shocking number of reports of causing washed out colours.
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Because the benchmark being used does not take advantage of the architecture.
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topshot_2k
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on screen performance, it looks not better and actually worse on some games than the 360.
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john/cosmo see the other PS3 thread it has it all in there
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John
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Are you referring to the one containing steves graph from an unkown source, again can you please give me your personal opinion on why the 360 architecture is better?
Thanks
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Are you referring to the one containing steves graph from an unkown source, again can you please give me your personal opinion on why the 360 architecture is better?
Thanks
just wait...google isnt the easiest thing to use 
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without turning this into a 360 thread 
Then comes the blue team with Cell. Local memory write is about 4GBps, 40% of the next slowest bandwidth there. Then comes the bomb from hell, the Cell local memory read bandwidth is a stunning 16MBps, note that is a capital M to connote Mega vs a capital G to connote Giga. This is a three order of magnitude oopsie, and it is an oopsie, as Sony put it "(no, this isn't a typo...)".
If you can write at 250x the read speed, it makes Cell local memory just about useless. That means you do all your work out of main memory, and the whole point of local is, well, pointless. This can lead to contention issues for the main memory bus, and all sorts of nightmarish to debug performance problems. Basically, if this Sony presentation to PS3 devs shown to us is correct, it looks like PS3 will be hobbled in a serious way.
The next slide goes on to say "Don't read from local memory, but write to main memory with RSX(tm) and read it from there instead", and repeats the table numbers. This is very very bad. The number of times the presentation goes on to say that it is correct, and the lack of anything like "this will be fixed by production steppings, so take measures X, Y and Z" say to me that it is not a fixable snafu. Remember at E3 when I said that the PS3 demos there were object sparse? Any guesses why?
Someone screwed up so badly it looks like it will relegate the console to second place behind the 360. All the devs I talked to were lukewarm on the 360 architecture but universally negative on the PS3. Revelations like this go a long way to explain why you keep hearing about simmering problems from the Sony devs.
You end up with a console with half the triangle setup rate of the 360, a crippled CPU that is a bitch to program, and tools that are atrocious compared to the 360. To make matters worse, you have an arrogant set of execs telling us that twice the price is worth it for half the power, a year late. If it isn't already too late, Sony had better do something about this recto-cranial inversion or it may very well sink the console.
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copy and pasted from http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32171 and a load of other places 
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yes its for the sake of cosmo who has trouble reading
[Edited on 20-03-2007 by topshot_2k]
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Hammer
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Topshot the epitome of 'Google Genius'
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copy and pasted from http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32171 and a load of other places
whats your point? i donthave access to labs to test the capabilities of the cell.
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