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AuroraSport
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quote:
Originally posted by TimEmo
back to the wheel circumference
u forgot to add the tyre twice cuz its on both sides of the tyre so
u'd get
16 * 25 + 195/100 * 80 = 596 diamter
* pi to get teh cicumference


bollocks you're right

so its 0.0011628589 miles afterall
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erm.....right. I get that.
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quote:
Originally posted by AuroraSport
quote:
Originally posted by TimEmo
back to the wheel circumference
u forgot to add the tyre twice cuz its on both sides of the tyre so
u'd get
16 * 25 + 195/100 * 80 = 596 diamter
* pi to get teh cicumference


bollocks you're right

so its 0.0011628589 miles afterall


Only 60,000,000 turns.
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yeh my bad i was thinking about radius when considering the tyre

i know, i will go outside and sulk

[Edited on 08-03-2007 by AuroraSport]
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yes but its the surface area that needs to be accounted for not the circumfracne beacuse 2 wheels with the same cirucmfracne will turn at diff speeds if they have different surface areas
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quote:
Originally posted by CorsaB4ever
yes but its the surface area that needs to be accounted for not the circumfracne beacuse 2 wheels with the same cirucmfracne will turn at diff speeds if they have different surface areas


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Originally posted by Rob H
Gear boxes turn at a different speed to the engine.... well actually the input shaft (from the engine) turns the same speed as the engine, but the output shaft turns at a different rate, depending on the Gear your in.

Basically the gear box is a torque multiplier to transfer the torque from the engin into a usable torque that will turn the wheels.

1st gear is rougly 3:1 ration, so for thee turns of the input shaft, you get one turn of the Out put shaft. Fourth is usally a 1:1 ratio, so for one revolution of the input shaft, you get one revolution of the output shaft. Fifth is usuall an overdrive gear, where by the output shaft turns more than the input shaft, arouns 0.8-0.9:1 ratio.

The output shaft however then goes on to a final drive gear which brings the speed of the engine relative to the wheels even lower. The Differential can also be used to further increase the relative speeds .


How the fuck do you know this stuff? Very complex and interesting.
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by CorsaB4ever
yes but its the surface area that needs to be accounted for not the circumfracne beacuse 2 wheels with the same cirucmfracne will turn at diff speeds if they have different surface areas





to get an acurate distance of how far a wheel will travel from one rpm, you would need to consider the surface area of the whll as opposed to just the circumfrance,
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Surface area? As in the tyre?
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I'm doing a project on it at uni atm... this is just the fundamentals, you should start looking at the power fluctuations, and some of the other shit that you get to when you start delving deeper .
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maths is gay
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quote:
Originally posted by Dean_W
Surface area? As in the tyre?

yes so in the forumla you would have to take the circumfrance x it by the width of the tyre and then x by pie

[Edited on 08-03-2007 by CorsaB4ever]
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Originally posted by CorsaB4ever
to get an acurate distance of how far a wheel will travel from one rpm, you would need to consider the surface area of the whll as opposed to just the circumfrance,


You'd need to know the ditance traveled by both wheels, but don't need to know the area of the tyres. I can see where you were going though, but for the accuracy required by Corsasport, I think travelling in a straight line would be an adequate assumption .
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quote:
Originally posted by CorsaB4ever
yes but its the surface area that needs to be accounted for not the circumfracne beacuse 2 wheels with the same cirucmfracne will turn at diff speeds if they have different surface areas


a 195/45 16 wheel/tyre combo and another 195/45 16 wheel/tyre combo will rotate once over the same distance, providing the tread depth and tyre pressure is the same, surface area has nothing to do with it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
surface area has nothing to do with it.


I was thinking that.
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by CorsaB4ever
to get an acurate distance of how far a wheel will travel from one rpm, you would need to consider the surface area of the whll as opposed to just the circumfrance,


You'd need to know the ditance traveled by both wheels, but don't need to know the area of the tyres. I can see where you were going though, but for the accuracy required by Corsasport, I think travelling in a straight line would be an adequate assumption .


ok more accurate then, but for considerations on a flat road, in a straight line
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I got a feeling this will be on page 10+ by the time I finish work tonight

[Edited on 08-03-2007 by Monster]
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by CorsaB4ever
yes but its the surface area that needs to be accounted for not the circumfracne beacuse 2 wheels with the same cirucmfracne will turn at diff speeds if they have different surface areas


a 195/45 16 wheel/tyre combo and another 195/45 16 wheel/tyre combo will rotate once over the same distance, providing the tread depth and tyre pressure is the same, surface area has nothing to do with it.


it would do if a tyre was 205 as opposed to 195 which was not stated in the original formaula which is the point i was making as a greater turing forec would be required
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i went off deans 195/45/16 tyre in mine
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Turning force has nothing to do with the distance travelled either. All we needed to know was how far the wheel would travel in one revolution. Surface area and turning force aren't needed.
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but the circumference of a 205 is different to a 195 anyway, so the end result would be different.

turning force matters not for distance for one revolution either
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Hang on, i'm confused.
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im just going to hide behind robin now
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ok, the point i was trying to make was that we got the answer of
0.0011628589, this was how far one rpm would turn the wheel, yes?? now that calculation was based on a 16inch wheels plus tyre and there combined circumfrance, yes?? now what i was saying i didnt believe you to of included the width of the tyre in the original formula because different widths will travel at different speeds as one has a greater tread surface area hence altering the distances they would travel as i beleiev it was monster who said that a 16uinch wheel will travel so far etc

[Edited on 08-03-2007 by CorsaB4ever]

[Edited on 08-03-2007 by CorsaB4ever]
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The width of the tyre was included in the working out.

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