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Dave A

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23rd Feb 07 at 10:59

did they make the build quality as bad as a cornflake box on purpose aswell?

back to the original question:

to make a corsa 1.6 as fast as a standard 106 gti/saxo vts you need decent brakes, muchos weight loss and decent suspension.

Steve

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:02

quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey

quote:
Originally posted by Steve
sensitive brakes would be dangerous to people who arent used to the car, its already a dodgy car to corner in the wet, adding sensitive brakes would make that worse for people who arent expecting it

peugeot would have set the brakes like that for a reason, there is no reason for them to not be very sensitive, disks and pads all round

[Edited on 23-02-2007 by Steve]

or its just typical french tosh

no its has a torsion bar setup, most cars suffer from lift off oversteer that have torsion bars in the wet, my megane was chronic.

the good thing about the 106 is that its really controllable

Steve

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:03

quote:
Originally posted by Dave A
did they make the build quality as bad as a cornflake box on purpose aswell?

i dont know, did vauxhall do it on purpose too?

Dave A

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:05

build quality of the 1.4/1.6 sports is far better than the saxo vts.

but what would I prefer in standard form?

a 106 gti

Steve

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:06

dave i wouldnt say a corsa is a well built car, nor would i say a 106gti is awell built, i dont think a corsa is any better built, they are both as bad as each other, but im not starting that argument again lol

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:09

steve a post 97 corsa is better built than any psa 106/saxo

vts/r/106 are a better car as standard

a corsa with a 16v or better brake set up will be better than a saxo/106

a 1600 corsa would never keep up with a CTR above 60 IMHO

[Edited on 23-02-2007 by jr]

Steve

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:11

all my corsas were pre 97

maybe thats why i have such poor views about there build quality

Jenko_Sport

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:14

After all this banter thereisnt a great deal of difference in performance between then when there this close its all down to driver skill not the car imo.

When my 1.6 was all stripped out i kept with a standard 106 from 30 to 110 and i stayed about a car length or 2 all the time.

Ftr mine ran 113.6bhp when it wasnt running right

[Edited on 23-02-2007 by Jenko_Sport]

Steve

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:18

judging a cars performance whilst "racing" something down a duel carriageway or something is about the most innacurate way of determining how your car fairs against something else.

You need a drag strip style scenario to really see, what you can apparently keep with on the open road, when side by side you will find it a totally different story.

also its easier to stay with something when your behind it, then pull away if your the car in front

[Edited on 23-02-2007 by Steve]

Jenko_Sport

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:19

It was side by side steve

Steve

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:20

and you set off at the exact same time from a standing start did you?

Jenko_Sport

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:22

Yep, was a mate of mine and we were curious how they compared.

Steve

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:23

so in that case he pulled a few car lengths on you then going by your story hence his was faster

also was it just drivers in both cars? what size wheels were on both cars etc

[Edited on 23-02-2007 by Steve]

Jenko_Sport

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:26

Wellthe back of the gti pulled level with with my bonnet .

I did stuff it going from 2nd to 3rd tho

Jenko_Sport

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:27

Yea just me in mine and him in his, if i remember correctly standard gti wheels are 14's so we both had the same size wheels

Steve

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:27

IMO to make a corsa sport as fast IN A STRAIGHT LINE, you need to make a fully stripped one to about 120-125bhp or a stock one to 138-140bhp

i think most people would agree with that

Jenko_Sport

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23rd Feb 07 at 11:30

Yea im not desputing that, was just say about one of my experiences with a standard gti.

Have played with another gti and realy got abused by it, i know that ones not standard though.

Scotty C

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23rd Feb 07 at 12:51

I never understand why people think you have to spend £1000's on a 1.6 sport to keep up with a VTS/GTi

Scotty C

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23rd Feb 07 at 12:52

quote:
Originally posted by Steve
IMO to make a corsa sport as fast IN A STRAIGHT LINE, you need to make a fully stripped one to about 120-125bhp or a stock one to 138-140bhp

i think most people would agree with that

Completly agree, as mine is quite gutted running quoted bhp, and mine keeps with standard ones

Jenko_Sport

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23rd Feb 07 at 13:41

You had yours on the rollers monster?

Steve X16XE

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23rd Feb 07 at 14:17

So how much does a fully stripped out corsa with 15" X16XE Weigh?

Like JR's.

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23rd Feb 07 at 14:31

mine was 781kg

Steve X16XE

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23rd Feb 07 at 14:34

wow!

Is there anything left in the car? Thats 248kg's out!

Done any times with your 1.6 in?

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23rd Feb 07 at 14:35

mine was a 1.28v trip converted, so is lighter to start with

Steve X16XE

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23rd Feb 07 at 14:35

Do'h, just looked in your garage

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