danny-corsa
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a 4wd astra would'nt even come close to a scooby or evo. however it would kickstart a whole new world of high powered 4wd hot hatches, as it would'nt be long before all the other manufacturers followed suit.
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ed
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there really isnt any cars that will be a new escort cossie. its a timeless classic in my opinon rhat will still be ultimately cool in 50 years as a lot of fords are
There is also the fact that they don't make proper drivers cars like that anymore. There are too many restrictions in place, plus people wont spend that sort of money on them anymore. It's a shame 
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a 4wd astra would'nt even come close to a scooby or evo. however it would kickstart a whole new world of high powered 4wd hot hatches, as it would'nt be long before all the other manufacturers followed suit.
well thats funny, because wouldnt it be a turbo 4x4. and its known that 2wd 2.0 turbos beat scoobys and evo's all day, but have to slow down on corners and the evo or scoobys go past them, but with 4x4 they wouldnt need to slow down as much, and the other cars would never catch up? or will vaux put shit power in it?
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ed
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Yea but langey, a Subaru is Jap and is automatically better than any european car 
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Jambo
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Alltho i see your point guys, japs have been at the WRC game and know a hell of alot about 4x4 yaw control and all that wizzardry. So i expect it to be leagues ahead of any vauxhall they develop.
But i stand buy my theeory that itl nbever happen as knowone would buy it
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ed
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Vauxhall wouldn't develop the 4x4 system... Would cost a lot of money and they would get it wrong. With the ammount of compays GM own they will use one off of another car, or adapt one. As somone has already stated, GM own 52% of Subaru and they seem to work pretty well 
Thats if they think the car is actually worth developing though....
[Edited on 30-11-2005 by ed]
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Jambo
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Yes ed, but my point remains, whos gunna want to spend that much on a vauxhall?
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ed
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Yea, would end up costing £20k. Though, if they badged it up as a Louts then it would be more desirable 
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Stu
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Originally posted by langey
well thats funny, because wouldnt it be a turbo 4x4. and its known that 2wd 2.0 turbos beat scoobys and evo's all day, but have to slow down on corners and the evo or scoobys go past them, but with 4x4 they wouldnt need to slow down as much, and the other cars would never catch up?
Awesome!
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danny-corsa
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Originally posted by langey
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Originally posted by danny-corsa
a 4wd astra would'nt even come close to a scooby or evo. however it would kickstart a whole new world of high powered 4wd hot hatches, as it would'nt be long before all the other manufacturers followed suit.
well thats funny, because wouldnt it be a turbo 4x4. and its known that 2wd 2.0 turbos beat scoobys and evo's all day, but have to slow down on corners and the evo or scoobys go past them, but with 4x4 they wouldnt need to slow down as much, and the other cars would never catch up? or will vaux put shit power in it?
it does'nt take a braniac to know that a light 4wd astra would wipe the floor with a scoob or evo. but at the end of the day, its still a vauxhall astra.
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ed
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But a Subrau Impreza is the equivelant car pretty much in Japan. There is nothing special about normal Imprezas, or Lancers in fact.
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Originally posted by danny-corsa
it does'nt take a braniac to know that a light 4wd astra would wipe the floor with a scoob or evo. but at the end of the day, its still a vauxhall astra.
By the time the 'light' astra gets its 4WD running gear (box, prop, diffs etc) it will probably weigh as much as a Subaru.
Pointless arguing about a theoretical situation anyway, cos in theory the Astra could use all the best bits from an Evo, a Subaru and a Cosworth, weigh 900kgs and run 500bhp.
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we know everything at CS 
u guys are the best
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Tom
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Originally posted by Gez G
Would show up all the current hot hatch contenders, leaving the Astra to take on Evos and Scoobs, could be a more modern day Escort Cos
bit of a bold statement IMO would still be a beast, dont get me wrong, but not in the same league as the escort cossie was back when it was released
[Edited on 29-11-2005 by corsa-sport]
Why  just cos' it was called cosworth and it's rallying breed, if we get into wrc and this happens it'd be a very similar move.
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danny-corsa
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By the time the 'light' astra gets its 4WD running gear (box, prop, diffs etc) it will probably weigh as much as a Subaru.
plus alot of the power will be lost through the 4wd meaning that it would be slower than a mk5 sri turbo.
the only way i can see the astra's going 4wd is if 888 team up for it and up the power to 300bhp+ but thay would only do limited editions and they would blatently cost upwards of £30k
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people bought cav tubs that were 20k+ so why wouldnt they buy a 4x4 astra? i would if it lived up to expectations
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Stu
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plus alot of the power will be lost through the 4wd meaning that it would be slower than a mk5 sri turbo.
Yeah, they would definitely have to go VXR power plus to reap any benefit. I just think that 240bhp through the fronts is too much for a road car!
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Ian S
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Originally posted by deanmcreynolds26
mmmmm interesting, hopefully a lot of thought has went into this, and not another chocolate txb
Its not chocolate.
If you notice the problems have come about during the last 4 or 5 years.
This is because of years of misuse - when it works it was way ahead of its time. Just a shame no one knew about the after effects until later on.
thats bollocks, i know of failed examples from when they were new, cost a fortune in warranty repairs for vauxhall. You get 93 and 94 scoobys and evos etc. yet dont hear about their 4x4 failing, face facts the vaux 4x4 was wank.
[Edited on 30-11-2005 by Ian S]
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Stu
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Very to the point Ian!
Hows tricks by the way?
Stu
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Maybe its RWD or maybe it is for another vehicle in the range like Zafira VXR 4x4 or just a Zafira 4x4 look at the ride hight of that thing. I think vauxhall are being clever here.
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why are people comparing it to jap? Where 90% of the 4x4 jap cars are saloons anyhow and in a totally different class.
It would be more put against the likes of the Audi S3, Golf R32 etc, in which case paying 30k for a 4x4 hot hatch is almost common place. Yes its a lot of money for a vauxhall hatch but then its a lot of money for a VW golf. The vauxhall abilty to produce well put together cars has increased dramitically, however VAG group ones have come down in a lot of new owners expectations. Myself being one of them owning a mk4 golf and mk4 astra.
I doubt they will make it, I am glad I was sent the pictures from a very eagle eyed astra G owner, but even if vauxhall get an idea about how well this car would go down thenat the very least these pics may help them make the decission to put it into production.
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Originally posted by ed
Vauxhall wouldn't develop the 4x4 system... Would cost a lot of money and they would get it wrong. With the ammount of compays GM own they will use one off of another car, or adapt one. As somone has already stated, GM own 52% of Subaru and they seem to work pretty well
Thats if they think the car is actually worth developing though....
[Edited on 30-11-2005 by ed]
if all 18 billion members of cs sent vaux an email they may think about it hey!
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i think a 4wd astra model would be a good idea.
in america they have the Chrysler Neon which is a bit like the astra, but the fastest model was the srt-4. a 240(ish) bhp 2.4l 4wd which has been a huge success in america. and will do 0-60 in 5.6 seconds,1/4 mile in 14.3 and top speed 153 mph. it was also popular because it was cheap. before the srt-4 the neon was pretty unpopular with 'petrol heads'.
im pretty sure a 4wd vxr astra would have similar performance figures to the srt-4 aswell, and i hope vauxhall really are thinking of making them
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Ian
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yaw control and all that wizzardry
Have a look at the parts list in a Vauxhall ESP system.
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Ian
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Originally posted by edThere is also the fact that they don't make proper drivers cars like that anymore. There are too many restrictions in place, plus people wont spend that sort of money on them anymore. It's a shame
Impreza specials? Evo FQ 400? 440? The latter costing similar if not more than Escort Cossie money adjusted for inflation.
Its been tried - not in a mainstream hatch for a a while - but there's certainly a market for it.
A few too many unsubstantiated comments in this thread for me though - Astra will never be as good as Impreza/Evo? I fail to see what is so radically different about the chassis that means anyone here is in a position to comment before either driving both or listening to the motoring press.
[Edited on 30-11-2005 by Ian]
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