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who gives a shit what the outcome is. CRX is gay and saxo's/106's are chav cars
What do you drive out of interest?
not some cheapo jap saloon car I tell thee 
no Italian bag of fucking crap
your engine went of fire did it not
it did but cost me less than £200 to fix so i dont care , you still drive a Fiat
no engine fire however
still a chav ride
I fail to see how it could be considered a Chav ride. I would suggest that a RX7 is more of a chav ride because it is a performance Jap car.
also note how many standard engines do you know need rebuilding as often as the wankle in an RX7
hmm i would disagree , however i see you too have fallen in the rebuild rumors of the RX7 , most need rebuilding after 100K
but then its a rotary engine so its a rare car , how many other manufactures do you know who make rotary engines that are 1.3 in capacity and push out 280Bhp standard.
Fiats are also not renowned for being the most reliable cars in the world.
yes this is true 
however the rotary is a totally different desgin and you cannot equate like for like.
The rotary engine is unique, allot of the reason they need to be rebuilt is because people do not know how to look after a rotary engine.
what other none turbo engine can produce 160bhp from a 1.6 engine...
Vauxhall Corsa 
saxo VTR gmc supercharged
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who gives a shit what the outcome is. CRX is gay and saxo's/106's are chav cars
What do you drive out of interest?
not some cheapo jap saloon car I tell thee
no Italian bag of fucking crap
your engine went of fire did it not
it did but cost me less than £200 to fix so i dont care , you still drive a Fiat
no engine fire however
still a chav ride
I fail to see how it could be considered a Chav ride. I would suggest that a RX7 is more of a chav ride because it is a performance Jap car.
also note how many standard engines do you know need rebuilding as often as the wankle in an RX7
hmm i would disagree , however i see you too have fallen in the rebuild rumors of the RX7 , most need rebuilding after 100K
but then its a rotary engine so its a rare car , how many other manufactures do you know who make rotary engines that are 1.3 in capacity and push out 280Bhp standard.
Fiats are also not renowned for being the most reliable cars in the world.
yes this is true
however the rotary is a totally different desgin and you cannot equate like for like.
The rotary engine is unique, allot of the reason they need to be rebuilt is because people do not know how to look after a rotary engine.
This goldfish odviously knows nothing about jap cars, let alone honda's, since when has a del-sol been a saloon?
what other none turbo engine can produce 160bhp from a 1.6 engine, no fiat!
As for baggin on Rex's, name a fiat that can do what that car does, been regarded as the best handling RWD car, ever!
you obviously can't read. I never said the del sol was a saloon.
the B16 engine may produce the hp how ever it produces a low level of torque. so while the car make accelerate quickly while the engine revs high whent he revs are low the car will struggle. this means in day to day driving it will be crap.
as for FIAT not knowing anything about RWD cars
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saxo VTS - 130bhp, ford fiesta (TURBO) 130 (aprox), EG civic VTi 160bhp
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saxo VTS - 130bhp, ford fiesta (TURBO) 130 (aprox), EG civic VTi 160bhp
supercharged VTS 200hp. thats not a turbo'd engine
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saxo VTS - 130bhp, ford fiesta (TURBO) 130 (aprox), EG civic VTi 160bhp
you missed my supercharged saxo 1.6 block - about 210+  (and its not turbo'd)
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saxo VTS - 130bhp, ford fiesta (TURBO) 130 (aprox), EG civic VTi 160bhp
Normally aspirated Vauxhall Corsa Sport 1.6 16v with 10k rev limit and TB's, 250bhp
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the B16 engine may produce the hp how ever it produces a low level of torque
power Vs torque, exesive torque isnt nesesary.
http://www.autospeed.com.au/cms/A_0755/article.html
http://www.autospeed.com.au/cms/A_0744/article.html
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Normally aspirated Vauxhall Corsa Sport 1.6 16v with 10k rev limit and TB's, 250bhp
I mean without modification
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the B16 engine may produce the hp how ever it produces a low level of torque
power Vs torque, exesive torque isnt nesesary.
http://www.autospeed.com.au/cms/A_0755/article.html
http://www.autospeed.com.au/cms/A_0744/article.html
torque is required as it is torque which turns the crank 
using more revs produces more power. take a civic to a hill and you'll understand
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Normally aspirated Vauxhall Corsa Sport 1.6 16v with 10k rev limit and TB's, 250bhp
I mean without modification
Honda engines are tuned to a higher state in the factory, therefore your comment can GTF
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Normally aspirated Vauxhall Corsa Sport 1.6 16v with 10k rev limit and TB's, 250bhp
I mean without modification
teh 1.6 engine is actually detuned. it made 150hp without VTEC type system when originally designed. it is strangled via the inlet system
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Normally aspirated Vauxhall Corsa Sport 1.6 16v with 10k rev limit and TB's, 250bhp
I mean without modification
mazda's 1.3 block - pushes out 230 odd
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Normally aspirated Vauxhall Corsa Sport 1.6 16v with 10k rev limit and TB's, 250bhp
I mean without modification
teh 1.6 engine is actually detuned. it made 150hp without VTEC type system when originally designed. it is strangled via the inlet system
The original 16XE engine should have stayed as it was, damn those government stiffs worrying about pollution
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Mazda, 1.3 cc fair point, but uses the fuel of a 2litre.
the crankshaft has a shorter throw alowing it to rev higher without damage producing more power, why do u think F1 cars rev so high?
Honda engines are tuned to a higher state in the factory, therefore your comment can GTF
WTF is that about?? what kind of poroof do u have of this?
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Mazda, 1.3 cc fair point, but uses the fuel of a 2litre.
the crankshaft has a shorter throw alowing it to rev higher without damage producing more power, why do u think F1 cars rev so high?
Honda engines are tuned to a higher state in the factory, therefore your comment can GTF
WTF is that about?? what kind of poroof do u have of this?
proof for what 
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that 'the honda engines are tuned to a higher state in the factory'
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oh right, well the high rev limits and strengthened crank and bottom end for one...
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Originally posted by ezza
Mazda, 1.3 cc fair point, but uses the fuel of a 2litre.
the crankshaft has a shorter throw alowing it to rev higher without damage producing more power, why do u think F1 cars rev so high?
Honda engines are tuned to a higher state in the factory, therefore your comment can GTF
WTF is that about?? what kind of poroof do u have of this?
F1 engines rev so high because they banned the use of turbos in F1
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Thats the make up of the engine, that IS the engine, this is what im trying to say!!!
U could strengthen the bottom end more and crank the revs up higher, but im talking straight out the box.
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Thats the make up of the engine, that IS the engine, this is what im trying to say!!!
U could strengthen the bottom end more and crank the revs up higher, but im talking straight out the box.
I'm missing somthing whats the difference to using a turbo or VTEC to make more power. a CTR without VETC would make around 140hp not the 197hp it does. so a small engine with a turbo makes a bit less but has more torque
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If they hadnt banned turbo's they would still rev high, u telling me if F1 cars had turbo's they would limit at 8K?
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Thats the make up of the engine, that IS the engine, this is what im trying to say!!!
U could strengthen the bottom end more and crank the revs up higher, but im talking straight out the box.
What im trying to say is that the revvy pieces of shit that are hondas are all to often praised upon because of their instant power out the box figures, when all they are are simple 1.6 engines with high rev limits. Any engine can be modified to achieve this, and beyond.
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Originally posted by ezza
Mazda, 1.3 cc fair point, but uses the fuel of a 2litre.
the crankshaft has a shorter throw alowing it to rev higher without damage producing more power, why do u think F1 cars rev so high?
Honda engines are tuned to a higher state in the factory, therefore your comment can GTF
WTF is that about?? what kind of poroof do u have of this?
uses the fuel of a 2lt....you what ?!?!?
i feel you havnt got a clue about mazda's 1.3 engine it uses the same fuel as a shitty del-sol mate 
eitherway, honda VTEC engines are based on motorbike engines (to my knowledge anyways), hence why they rev higher and hence why all the power is 5k (that right? or is it 6k) and beyond. And goldfish is right, there is fook all torque in a VTEC engine, well not the 1.6 anyways - bro has a rover 220 coupe which uses the 1.6 VYEC block and he has to punt it to get it moving...once moving however, its a different story 
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If they hadnt banned turbo's they would still rev high, u telling me if F1 cars had turbo's they would limit at 8K?
Yeah because a turbo 3.0 v10 with a 14k limit wont go bang will it
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I can't be arsed to read the other pages, but has no-one mentioned the Nova? From the FACTORY these beat Prodrive Imprezas all day long.
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