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samt33
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can any one help me, i gotta mate who seams to think the mitsubishi evo 6 mackinen edition comes with a carbon fibre turbo...... i told him that it would burn up and fall apart within hours but he thinks its stronger than metal, even though when its hard pushed the turbo casing can glow red hot! now can any one back me up and say that you cant get a carbon fibre turbo, maybe a surrond for it or a cover but not a turbo. thanxs every one
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You cant get carbon fibre turbos. They sometimes reach 900 degrees so I dont think it would last very long!! Maybe a cover.

The new Misti Evo Rally edition (or something) comes with an aluminium roof if that helps and they come with various CF bits.
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ur friend is a mug, who told him that
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lmao
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does he actually mean a carbon based ceramic - that would withstand heat temperatures above the temperature of most metals and could be comressed and formed as a turbing wheel
samt33
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no, he means the turbo housing. and i think it would burn up pritty quick. he still recons its got 1 though
J da Silva
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its not possible,would melt
Adam
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you can get ceramic turbo's tho
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u CAN get ceramic Turbine wheels for turbos and theyre more temp. durable
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y would it not be possible? F1 cars use carbon fibre brakes disks
MikeH
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Brakes don't reach the same tempersture as a turbocharger.

Carbon fibre is made by building layer upon laer of a carbon gauze into a resin mixture and then heating in an autoclave.

The resin will be a thermosetting plastic and won't melt again.

However I am 99% sure that the resin will start burning at turbo temperature and it could even catch fire!
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f1 brakes are running 700-800 degrees turbo wouldnt be much more than that i wouldnt think
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Yeh but what sort of aerodynamics do f1 cars have.... they probably have cooling from high pressure channels of air.
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I don't know, i suppose it is possible with very expensive f1 technology....like £500,000 worth of carbon fibre to do it.

What would be the point in fitting that to an evo....would it really make that much of a difference, it's not THAT heavy.
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Also from an engineering perspective the carbon is going to insulate the turbo and thats not what you want either!
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lol
J da Silva
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quote:
Originally posted by Siberia
f1 brakes are running 700-800 degrees turbo wouldnt be much more than that i wouldnt think



i see where your comin from mate, 2 totally different matters
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ur friend is very

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my view is that your mate has been fooled. on paper, you could make a turbo from carbon fibre composites, the materials used in the construction of carbon/ceramic brake disks are not what you'd use anyway, as these are formulated to resist abrasion and are designed to operate at very high temperatures only, when they are cold, there crap. if you could mould the required shape from carbon fibre, then machine it, then fit all the hardware into it so you could mount the exhaust manifold etc, then yes, in theory you could, but moulding the complex shape of a turbo housing would be an absolute nightmare, one which is virtually imposible to achive, and the weight saving you'd gain from a carbon fibre turbo housing would not be significant enough to justify spending the money developing it.
Carbon fibre is stronger than steel, if engineered correct, up to three times stronger, having said that, under the heat it would warp considerably.

Hope that clears it up,

Hows that interior Sam?
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alright mate. the interior is great. really impressed with it! moved any further on in ur corsa project?
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say no more




yeah this may be OTT and only seen on rally cars... but trubos do get fooking hot!!! that carbo wouldnt last long!

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i dunno lads im not disagreeing with anyone but in f1 there making gearboxs and chasis, brake disks and pads out of this stuff

i know heat is the main issues here but i think its quit durable

having said that the brakes on a f1 car is only meant to last for 1 grand prix which is only 2-3 hrs so maybe the the turbos are not meant for everyday use.
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam
you can get ceramic turbo's tho


Yup, the Evo extreme, and so im guessing Makkinen Evo came with ceramic coated turbine blades .
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AK's supra had them as well. reduces rotational mass

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