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Kerry

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23rd Nov 03 at 00:55

no we arnt though

u are sayin he has a 39% loss and im sayin its 27.9%

ive shown u where i got my figure now u tell me where u got 39% from please

mav

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23rd Nov 03 at 00:56

[Edited on 23-11-2003 by Trotty]

mav

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23rd Nov 03 at 00:57

[Edited on 23-11-2003 by Trotty]

Kerry

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23rd Nov 03 at 00:59

quote:
Originally posted by Lucky B
I think were saying the same thing Kerry.
99.5 + 39 =138.5
99.5 + 39% =138.305
Same diff really

no we arnt sayin the same thing

i have said it 10 times over the difference between his power@ wheels and power @ flywheel is a 27.9% loss not 39%

u are addin 39% of 99.5 bhp and i dont even know why because its 39bhp

Lucky B

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23rd Nov 03 at 00:59

Thats what Sooty said, his losses were 39, he never said % or BHP
I assumed it was %
As i said 99.5 + 39 =135.5
99.5 + 39% = 138.305 unless my calculator is wrong...

[Edited on 23-11-2003 by Lucky B]

Andy

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:00

Whichever way you calculate it, these transmission losses seem high to me. For the record, T499 makes 180bhp at the wheels and 214 (calculated) at the fly - that's either 16% or 19% losses according to whether you use Lucky's method (calculating up from wheel figures) or calculating down from theoretical fly figures.

sxi16vjoe

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:00

[Edited on 23-11-2003 by Trotty]

J da Silva

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:02

well 39% of 138bhp is 53.82 bhp so that would mean from 138 bhp at the engine it would amount to 85.67bhp at the wheel

Kerry

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:02

quote:
Originally posted by Andy
Whichever way you calculate it, these transmission losses seem high to me. For the record, T499 makes 180bhp at the wheels and 214 (calculated) at the fly - that's either 16% or 19% losses according to whether you use Lucky's method (calculating up from wheel figures) or calculating down from theoretical fly figures.

yes its high but 27.9% and 28% is certainly closer to the average of 25% than 39% is

Andy

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:02

Oh and BTW, Dave (Lucky B) knows more about engines than most of the people on this site added together

Kerry

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:03

quote:
Originally posted by Andy
Oh and BTW, Dave (Lucky B) knows more about engines than most of the people on this site added together

this has nothin to do with knowledge of engines its simple maths

Andy

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:04

I never commented on the maths

Kerry

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:04

quote:
Originally posted by VenomTurbo
well 39% of 138bhp is 53.82 bhp so that would mean from 138 bhp at the engine it would amount to 85.67bhp at the wheel

so now do u see why im sayin its not 39%????????

sxi16vjoe

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:04

[Edited on 23-11-2003 by Trotty]

Kerry

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:05

quote:
Originally posted by Andy
I never commented on the maths

and noone commented on daves engine knowledge either

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:05

39% is high Kerry, if you read what i'm trying to tell ya, 25% losses are the norm for a front drive car but(the now sleeping Sooty) and i reckon that the high losses are due to the cars sitting in cold temps for 1 1/2 hours.

sxi16vjoe

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:05

quote:
Originally posted by Andy
I never commented on the maths

but the argument was never his over his knowledge of engines ws it?

Andy

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:06

I did - there's a few folk on here that could learn a bit from him

J da Silva

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:06

27.9% of 138.5bhp is 38.64 so 138.5-38.64=99.86 bhp

and for those maths novices th way to work that out would have been 27.9/100x138.5 =the loss from engine to wheel

Kerry

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:07

quote:
Originally posted by Lucky B
39% is high Kerry, if you read what i'm trying to tell ya, 25% losses are the norm for a front drive car but(the now sleeping Sooty) and i reckon that the high losses are due to the cars sitting in cold temps for 1 1/2 hours.

ITS NOT 39% TRANSMISSION LOSS ITS 27.9%

will someone else please work out the % loss between 138.5 bhp and 99.5 bhp please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

J da Silva

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:08

quote:
Originally posted by Kerry

quote:
Originally posted by VenomTurbo
well 39% of 138bhp is 53.82 bhp so that would mean from 138 bhp at the engine it would amount to 85.67bhp at the wheel

so now do u see why im sayin its not 39%????????

yesh, i worked it all out within 5 minutes of readin this, very very simple indeed and i've had 6 pints of stella and a few shots of whatever it was,cant remember its name now

Kerry

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:08

quote:
Originally posted by Lucky B
*slap my hand on my head*
Kerry, you said your losses were 50.5 not 39

we are talkin about sootys car arnt we

mav

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:08

[Edited on 23-11-2003 by Trotty]

J da Silva

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:09

kerry its 27.9% loss
and that makes it 39bhp loss

sxi16vjoe

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23rd Nov 03 at 01:09

[Edited on 23-11-2003 by Trotty]

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