Teddy
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Originally posted by broster
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Originally posted by Teddy
Its always going to hold different things for people Mark.
Thing is half the people that comment on the matter use "hearsay" anyway and devise opinions on what they are told and read on the internet.
Its garbage.
I have driven both and i have my opinion - thats it. If someone has a different opinion then thats fine not a problem.
but some people should think about what they are typing before they hit the submit button.
this is true but alot of people havent driven a throttle bodies 1.6 16v, i can put money on that. and alot of people have commented in this thread..... so how can they compare.
Exactly my point.
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broster
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Originally posted by Matty G
I admit I havent driven either  I just wanna know what would happen if they were put head to head but no one seems to have actually done that to prove that one is quicker than the other... they just say on here that the 1600 would win or like I say I think the 2.0 would win
people who say the 1.6 16v on tb's would be BETTER! not win, have had experence driving a c20xe with moderate tuning or with thottle bodies etc, and driving a tuned 1.6 16v or even an untuned one.
people who say the c20xe will win havent had the experience of driving both sides of the arguement
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broster
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quote:
Originally posted by Teddy
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Originally posted by broster
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Originally posted by Teddy
Its always going to hold different things for people Mark.
Thing is half the people that comment on the matter use "hearsay" anyway and devise opinions on what they are told and read on the internet.
Its garbage.
I have driven both and i have my opinion - thats it. If someone has a different opinion then thats fine not a problem.
but some people should think about what they are typing before they hit the submit button.
this is true but alot of people havent driven a throttle bodies 1.6 16v, i can put money on that. and alot of people have commented in this thread..... so how can they compare.
Exactly my point.
we agree, also look at the poll, that should speak lol!
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Teddy
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Cant be bothered wasting time.
Everyone will have a difference of opinion.
Tell you what we need to do is this.
Get the SAME person to drive.........
a
16xe
20xe
20let
through a number of the SAME tests
track
1/4 mile
I know it mark and you know what the answers would be but i think to silence this disagreement once and for all.
To prove my points anyhow - we know what is good for what 
[Edited on 14-12-2005 by Teddy]
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3CorsaMeal
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i'd been informed a 20xe weighs 65kgs
anyone know how much a x16xe with TB's weigh?
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Siberia
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your all gay... i'm right your all wrong.... and thats it! 
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mwg
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But the thing is for people like me that haven't driven either we need solid evidence they are quicker, not just that you've driven both and say they feel quicker round bends and more responsive. I dont doubt that they do, just would like to know times e.g. hard evidence to show whats what rather than what feels quicker  then I would know once and for all!
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Teddy
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quote:
Originally posted by Matty G
But the thing is for people like me that haven't driven either we need solid evidence they are quicker, not just that you've driven both and say they feel quicker round bends and more responsive. I dont doubt that they do, just would like to know times e.g. hard evidence to show whats what rather than what feels quicker then I would know once and for all!
How much more solid evidence do you need that an advanced driver has driven both - my opinion is formed on how the car performs not personal perference.
How is that not hard evidence?
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Nic Barnes
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somewhere back near the start of the post rob_lee says he has had both engines in the same car and has categorically said the 1600 16v was far better on the track......
as for proof, hmmm, errr, im sure i trust that as being a fact from someone who has owned and driven both engines in the same car........
ah well. me, broster and teddy seem to be getting shot down in flames eh
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mwg
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lap times is what I mean by hard evidence!
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Nic Barnes
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really, there is more to a car than power for the track. its alla bout balance etc.
but im tired of this. ive expereienced all 1600 16v, 20xe and 20let in a corsa adn the 1600 16v i by far the best all round set up.
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Teddy
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quote:
Originally posted by Matty G
lap times is what I mean by hard evidence!
Tell you what you pay for the track , fuel , tyres and maintinence and im sure they will be more than happy to obliege!
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Adam-D
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just to throw a bomb on this
how bout the 1.6 8v nova gsi engine with carbs? in a corsa
what power is achiveable?
how would that compare to a say 160bhp 20xe?
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broster
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quote:
Originally posted by Teddy
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Originally posted by Matty G
lap times is what I mean by hard evidence!
Tell you what you pay for the track , fuel , tyres and maintinence and im sure they will be more than happy to obliege!
indeed!
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mwg
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quote:
Originally posted by Teddy
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Originally posted by Matty G
lap times is what I mean by hard evidence!
Tell you what you pay for the track , fuel , tyres and maintinence and im sure they will be more than happy to obliege!
I would if I could afford it
I do see what your saying, its just nice to have some figures to back it up that cant be questioned. That way there is no question as to whats what and absoloutely no way I or anyone else could argue otherwise as its then fact rather than a few people on the internet I've never met before telling me things  no offense meant BTW
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broster
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam-D
just to throw a bomb on this
how bout the 1.6 8v nova gsi engine with carbs? in a corsa
what power is achiveable?
how would that compare to a say 160bhp 20xe?
in a corsa yes, it would perform well, as we know J1M off here, has a black nova wit ha 1.6 8v engine making 160bhp and 123lbft maybe more, so it has similar charactistics to a 1.6 16v. but i feel the 8 engine should be left in a nova.
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broster
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quote:
Originally posted by Matty G
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Originally posted by Teddy
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Originally posted by Matty G
lap times is what I mean by hard evidence!
Tell you what you pay for the track , fuel , tyres and maintinence and im sure they will be more than happy to obliege!
I would if I could afford it
I do see what your saying, its just nice to have some figures to back it up that cant be questioned. That way there is no question as to whats what and absoloutely no way I or anyone else could argue otherwise as its then fact rather than a few people on the internet I've never met before telling me things no offense meant BTW
as with alot of things in life there is often not much HARD evidence to back claims up, its something you accept.
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Jambo
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Borster, yes i am aware of the power delivery, i happen to experience it everyday.
Yes a clio is designed to take that kind of power, BUT if you had read my post you would have noticed i said there are no traction problems, and power delivery with a driver who can drive is fine
I stated that i have never tracked a 1.6, but i would imagine due to physics them being better, the point of my post (alltho i may not have made it clear)
Is that its horses for courses so stop arguing about it 
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Jambo
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OMFG im such a spastic i cant type BORSTER
Sorry 
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broster
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Originally posted by Jambo
OMFG im such a spastic i cant type BORSTER
Sorry
you are forgiven, but dont do it again, Jamob
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Adam-D
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so a nova engine would not be competitive in a corsa?
so i gues its possible to put carbs on a 16v engine?
or, mark how much has your engine cost to get it to 180bhp?
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broster
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam-D
so a nova engine would not be competitive in a corsa?
so i gues its possible to put carbs on a 16v engine?
or, mark how much has your engine cost to get it to 180bhp?
it would be but i feel its taking one step back, same as fitting carbs to the 16v engine.
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Adam-D
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how much was your engine to build full cost?
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broster
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Originally posted by Adam-D
how much was your engine to build full cost?
not prepared to discuss it on the forum......
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Rob_Lee
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ah noones mentioned the 1.6 16v induction noise... thats why its better!
lol
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