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They should be, they are pretty much becoming Ferraris B team.
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Kyle T
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Surely if RBR go for Ferrari, and want to bring STR into the same circle; Horner & Marchionne would have a little word with Bernie and a regulation change to allow Engine Manufacturers to supply 5x teams would conveniently come around...
I can see benefits to both, for years RBR ran Renault whilst TR were on Ferrari engines.
When both on the same engine, they effectively get a development team running every race weekend - but if they end up with a sucker of an engine, perhaps a bit of insider knowledge on a Ferrari lump wouldn't have gone amiss...
I'm not sure where the 4 team limit came from, but presumably it's to balance the field. Let's face it, we'd have a grid full of Mercedes cars come contract renewal if the rule wasn't in place.
Manor are using 2014 Ferrari engines if I remember correctly, perhaps for that reason they don't fall into the 4 team limit.
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Bare in mind that Haas will also be using Ferrari engines.
are they definitely confirmed to race though - heard stories they won't be ready
As far as i'm aware, they're in for next season. That's according to the skysports F1 team anyway.
Is there a deadline for them to pull out without any financial penalty?
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Virtual tour of the pit garage of Ferrari
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Didn't realise how similar their stats are:
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Kyle T
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Been following the 41 wins from 161 starts stat for a while, media doing their best to jinx it now that we are one race away!
Impressive record(s) nonetheless.
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Senna didnt start life in a McLaren, but still really impressive
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Tiger
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Renault boss has been ranting today:
Ghosn said: "We have already alerted the F1 authorities and told them: 'Don't count on us as a provider of an engine - it's over.'"
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Tiger
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Didn't realise how similar their stats are:
Very difficult to make comparisons with what must be like driving prehistoric technology. I would love to see Hamilton drive the 1988 Maclaren though at, say, Monza to make a more comparable side by side video.
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I'd like to see you making less racist comments in future
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Didn't realise how similar their stats are:
Very difficult to make comparisons with what must be like driving prehistoric technology. I would love to see Hamilton drive the 1988 Maclaren though at, say, Monza to make a more comparable side by side video.
That's the whole point, two different drivers in two different eras of the sport and technology with uncannily similar statistics, all prefixed by the fact Lewis has openly wanted to emulate Senna's career in the best way he can.
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Ben G
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Why do people always say the older generation were better? Same thing has happened with Rooney.
What would you like them to do? Go back in time and be reborn in a different era? They can only be the best at their sport in their time.
It's hardly Lewis' fault the game has moved on and they're driving spaceships compared to the old stuff.
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Why do people always say the older generation were better? Same thing has happened with Rooney.
What would you like them to do? Go back in time and be reborn in a different era? They can only be the best at their sport in their time.
It's hardly Lewis' fault the game has moved on and they're driving spaceships compared to the old stuff.
Well I blame Lewis for everything that happened in the sport, and the fact he drives a spaceship.
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Didn't realise how similar their stats are:
Very difficult to make comparisons with what must be like driving prehistoric technology. I would love to see Hamilton drive the 1988 Maclaren though at, say, Monza to make a more comparable side by side video.
That wouldnt be a fair comparison either, i'm sure Lewis wouldn't be able to drive the older car to Senna's standard and Senna wouldnt of been able to drive the newer car to Lewis' standard neither straight away.
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I meant if they both had each other's cars for a day, for example.
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ahh i get ya, i imagine Lewis would do better driving an older car than Senna would of in a newer car with all the technology and changes that need to made on the fly.
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Definitely. Senna would need a lot longer due to the complexity of the steering wheel controls alone, let alone learning how to sufficiently charge up the batteries.
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Pointless agruement in some regard
Key element is how the championships are won
For merc they have dominated so one of his championships was default apart from his team mate possibly winning it
Even Schumacher had a few championships that were default
[Edited on 18-09-2015 by whitter45]
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Pointless agruement in some regard
Key element is how the championships are won
For merc they have dominated so one of his championships was default apart from his team mate possibly winning it
Even Schumacher had a few championships that were default
[Edited on 18-09-2015 by whitter45]
As with Senna's 1988 WDC.
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Originally posted by whitter45
Pointless agruement in some regard
Key element is how the championships are won
For merc they have dominated so one of his championships was default apart from his team mate possibly winning it
Even Schumacher had a few championships that were default
[Edited on 18-09-2015 by whitter45]
As with Senna's 1988 WDC.
agree - not taking it away from Hamilton, Schumacher (who I am a massive fan of) and senna but titles won in which cars dominated is very different to when it went to the final race
Consider when Alonso won his 2 titles - he was challenged to the end. 2006 Schumacher could have won it but punctured made sure he didn't in the last race
Vettel was challenged to the end a few titles although they had a dominent car
Hamilton 2008 pushed by Massa
Kimi pushed by hamilton, alonso and massa
schumacher 2000 with Mika
schumacher walked it in 2001
Schumacher was over a 100 points ahead of the next team in 2002
Schumacher 2003 was 2 points
Schumacher 2004 nearly double the points of the closest team
all on old points system which is huge
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In your opinion, would you rate these two differently based on team diversity at the top?
Hamilton 2008 pushed by Massa?
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Hamilton 2014 pushed by Rosberg?
In many ways I think having a WDC battle across multiple teams is by far the best for the sport, but I think a WDC battle with team mates carries more pressure on the contenders.
Using the 2014 Merc campaign for example, the slower of the Merc drivers was almost certain to finish in P2 because the car was so good. This means that the faster driver can only ever pull out chunks of 7 points in the WDC battle. As a result, the battle was almost certain to come to the final race of the season.
On some of the RBR WDC campaigns, there were multiple WDC contenders from different teams, this could "allow" Seb to have a chunk of bad luck or even poor performance as the points were being shared out across more people.
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fair comment - but for me multiple teams puts a championship win in better light - more variables with different teams
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Yeah I think I'm inclined to agree, and I would much prefer if 2015 was a legitimate "Hamilton vs Vettel" or whatever - it just builds the drama.
I don't think Lewis' 2014 campaign is diminished though 
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Yeah I think I'm inclined to agree, and I would much prefer if 2015 was a legitimate "Hamilton vs Vettel" or whatever - it just builds the drama.
I don't think Lewis' 2014 campaign is diminished though
agree - I am not taking away the fact Hamilton won the championship as was the best driver to do so, it just would have been more definitive if the competition would have had better cars - that's not his fault and some of the races he drove spot on which again is another way of measuring how good a driver he is
Look at alonso - this year looks so average - yet for me has been one of the best drivers in the last 8 years - his car simply does not allow him to show his talent
Vettel now is similar to where alonso was with Ferrari - very good car, not the best, but his ability makes his performance stand out and not just the car
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34297046
More VW/Audi and Red Bull rumours.
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