Rick Draper
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TBH there is bhp then there is proven bhp...
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mikesc20let
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true nothing is proven unless its on graph paper or hard copy evidence
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jpearce
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has anyone got a video of phil suttons corsa?
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williamsvts
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i would give my left nacker to be able to put times down like gazd on the strip, stuff these let powered mjobbies
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mikesc20let
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aYZgQVODMyc
try that and go from there i cant find any of him goin down strip yet
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williamsvts
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have alook at the ferrari gettin fuckd of the corsa a
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by LETGSI16V
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Originally posted by Robin
Not a huge issue if the car is set up correctly.
What? 
669 BHP through a FWD shopping trolley not a huge issue if set up properly? 
Of course it is. For starters physics dictates that the centre of gravity will move back when power is applied which will reduce traction on the front (driven) wheels. All the coilovers, ARB's, corner weighting, rollcages, strut braces, bushes, rose joints, slicks, unsprung mass, laser alignment, castor, tracking, rake angles, etc, etc, etc in the world are not going to make a car like that easy to drive.
I would love to see you stamp on the loud pedal at an apex and come out of the corner, which is what you are basically suggesting if you think it isn't a 'huge issue', the torque would no doubt double in a matter of a few hundred RPM on an engine specced to create that much power.
That sort of power in cars designed for serious usage it is still a problem, in a biscuit tin designed for tarts to nip to the shop in it is borderline suicidal.
I must have missed the part where I said you could stamp on 'the loud pedal' post apex without any problems.
What I said was making the car cope with the power isn't a huge issue if it's set up properly.
There are suspension setups borrowed from FWD drag racing (which quite clearly work, or people wouldn't be running 7 second 1/4s in the states) which would stop the car being quite so undriveable, not to mention all the other things which you've neglected to mention.
There's a company local to us who build very powerful FWD cars all day long who have a lot of little tricks to allow them to deal with the power, like suspension setups designed to stop the weight transfer and actually force the front of the car down under load.
Of course if you just hammer it out of the first hairpin you see it's not going to work out too brilliantly for you, but that'd happen with a 150bhp car. If you control the 'loud pedal' properly, it's not an issue.
Where do you think the limit for power in an FWD car is?
[Edited on 07-08-2008 by Robin]
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solly
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236.3bhp according to my mate that works at aston
cant see any power being a problem to be honest if set up properly
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Daimo B
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
There are suspension setups borrowed from FWD drag racing (which quite clearly work, or people wouldn't be running 7 second 1/4s in the states) which would stop the car being quite so undriveable, not to mention all the other things which you've neglected to mention.
Nothing to do with the huge drag slicks, tiny top end powerband, sticky glue track surface, ass end higher than a jumbo...
Because all this works on a ROAD car doesn't it
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Fad
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Pickfords would of been interesting if he actually grew some balls
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by Rick Draper
TBH there is bhp then there is proven bhp on the road, a "graph" of a car sitting on two rollers means nothing
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mwg
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http://www.cruisewestcumbria.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=27326&st=20
look further down the page for a post by morris aka muppetsport
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lil_g
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quote:
Originally posted by Fad
Pickfords would of been interesting if he actually grew some balls
I want to see that with more power tbh 
Even if I have to buy the engine
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Vaux Lad
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Originally posted by mikesc20let
true nothing is proven unless its on graph paper or hard copy evidence
Graph means fook all tbh, you can make a RR read whatever you want.....
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jr
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and that happens alot does it ?
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jr
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
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Originally posted by Robin
There are suspension setups borrowed from FWD drag racing (which quite clearly work, or people wouldn't be running 7 second 1/4s in the states) which would stop the car being quite so undriveable, not to mention all the other things which you've neglected to mention.
Nothing to do with the huge drag slicks, tiny top end powerband, sticky glue track surface, ass end higher than a jumbo...
Because all this works on a ROAD car doesn't it
the company robin is talking about dont do that, and still have some very impressive fwd running around 
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mikesc20let
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Graph means fook all tbh, you can make a RR read whatever you want.....
if you say so but if a car would make 400 on rollers if they were calibrated then it will make 400 on road the difference mite be that the rollers dont run out of road oh and you cud maybe get wheel spin on rollers like i did satday so you mite not get a true reading
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Rick Draper
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quote:
Originally posted by Vaux Lad
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Originally posted by mikesc20let
true nothing is proven unless its on graph paper or hard copy evidence
Graph means fook all tbh, you can make a RR read whatever you want.....
There are good rolling roads and not so good ones. Track and road for instance seems very reputable, then there are the ones that give +200bhp ATW iirc for stock XE's on TB's which aint happening imho is it...
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big eck
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quote:
Originally posted by Matty G
http://www.cruisewestcumbria.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=27326&st=20
look further down the page for a post by morris aka muppetsport
CHRIST
477bhp his makes now
Sooooooooooooo impressive for doin all the work on his driveway
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P1CK4D
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quote:
Originally posted by lil_g
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Originally posted by Fad
Pickfords would of been interesting if he actually grew some balls
I want to see that with more power tbh
Even if I have to buy the engine
All good things come to those who wait boys  And sorry lil g man, I doubt you'll be buying this engine tbh 
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Fad
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sounds like we will be waiting a while then 
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P1CK4D
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Originally posted by Fad
sounds like we will be waiting a while then
Pretty much yeah.  Sorry!
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Limecat
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
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Originally posted by LETGSI16V
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Originally posted by Robin
Not a huge issue if the car is set up correctly.
What?
669 BHP through a FWD shopping trolley not a huge issue if set up properly?
Of course it is. For starters physics dictates that the centre of gravity will move back when power is applied which will reduce traction on the front (driven) wheels. All the coilovers, ARB's, corner weighting, rollcages, strut braces, bushes, rose joints, slicks, unsprung mass, laser alignment, castor, tracking, rake angles, etc, etc, etc in the world are not going to make a car like that easy to drive.
I would love to see you stamp on the loud pedal at an apex and come out of the corner, which is what you are basically suggesting if you think it isn't a 'huge issue', the torque would no doubt double in a matter of a few hundred RPM on an engine specced to create that much power.
That sort of power in cars designed for serious usage it is still a problem, in a biscuit tin designed for tarts to nip to the shop in it is borderline suicidal.
I must have missed the part where I said you could stamp on 'the loud pedal' post apex without any problems.
What I said was making the car cope with the power isn't a huge issue if it's set up properly.
There are suspension setups borrowed from FWD drag racing (which quite clearly work, or people wouldn't be running 7 second 1/4s in the states) which would stop the car being quite so undriveable, not to mention all the other things which you've neglected to mention.
There's a company local to us who build very powerful FWD cars all day long who have a lot of little tricks to allow them to deal with the power, like suspension setups designed to stop the weight transfer and actually force the front of the car down under load.
Of course if you just hammer it out of the first hairpin you see it's not going to work out too brilliantly for you, but that'd happen with a 150bhp car. If you control the 'loud pedal' properly, it's not an issue.
Where do you think the limit for power in an FWD car is?
[Edited on 07-08-2008 by Robin]
Coping with power is being driveable even by a complete muppet IMO. Thats why I said about the torque doubling in a matter of a few hundred RPM, it wouldn't be too easy to hold it steady when bouncing the kerbs on a trackday.
You seem to have neglected the fact that these American FWD cars posting stupid times are complete 1 trick ponies, often no longer have full lock due to rim width, run on uber high octane fuel (about £115 last time my mate bought some!) and are not road legal. Oh, plus the great big climbing frame/jockey wheels on the back don't exactly hurt either.
None of the above constitutes a very 'useable' car IMO.
Oh, to answer your question, I personally think around 220-250 BHP is where you are noticably losing usability at a fast rate in a front wheel drive car, thats where I am being a c*nt though as both of mine should easily surpass those figures.
EDIT: As a trained engineer I cannot envisage how you would move the CoG to the front of the car when accelerating, unless of course you are drag racing in reverse?
[Edited on 07-08-2008 by LETGSI16V]
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mikesc20let
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anyway back to topic has any thought of anymore corsa a,b,c,d with pics or videos with high bhp either n/a or turbocharged
[Edited on 07-08-2008 by mikesc20let]
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Ben ev
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nick barnes has got a vid of the corsa version2 on (putfile?) of the building of it with the dynorun at the end. nice little momento of it. think he will make 500 soon
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