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[quote][i]Originally posted by Paul_J[/i]
[quote][i]Originally posted by Whittie[/i]
He didn't work for the ring, but i was just wanting to show that if you don't know a track it's worth it. :lol: [/quote]

The guy driving completely ignored him most of the time... 'FLAT OUT!' - and you hear the guy driving coming completely off the throttle.

Also the 'instructor' was telling him to do dumb things like brake mid bend, lift off and brake at the bottom of the fox hole on the corner as all your suspension would compress :| ... if it had been damp / wet and he'd of done that down there the back end would've been getting very light.

I just don't think your vid demonstrates at all what getting real track tuition is about. It's not about having your mate cheering you on in your passenger seat, it's about driving smoothly, consistantly and learning the basics before trying to go 'FLAT OUT'.

This is what an instructor should be, calm, cool, clear instructions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUSQ45SwjkE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSVECywGCFg

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AK	posted on 13th Feb 08 at 17:21
	aye.... I think i'll book an ARDS instructor (£117.50) for the afternoon. I'll prob open up another slot to fully cover the cost as it stands I'd be out of pocket doing it :lol:
smcGSI16V	posted on 12th Feb 08 at 22:11
	I got free tuition at my last track day at Colerne with MSE and I decided to let the mrs use it. She found it very informative a confidence inspiring and her driving improved greatly in her next session. She had never been to a track day before so for a novice I think track tuition in invaluable.
Cole	posted on 12th Feb 08 at 19:43
	i remember when we had the brands trackday last yr and corb had the instructor with for a few laps i know for fact i would on my 1st outing at a track so i would feel safer in myself when driving at pace
Paul_J	posted on 12th Feb 08 at 17:36
	quote: Originally posted by Whittie He didn't work for the ring, but i was just wanting to show that if you don't know a track it's worth it. :lol: The guy driving completely ignored him most of the time... 'FLAT OUT!' - and you hear the guy driving coming completely off the throttle. Also the 'instructor' was telling him to do dumb things like brake mid bend, lift off and brake at the bottom of the fox hole on the corner as all your suspension would compress :\| ... if it had been damp / wet and he'd of done that down there the back end would've been getting very light. I just don't think your vid demonstrates at all what getting real track tuition is about. It's not about having your mate cheering you on in your passenger seat, it's about driving smoothly, consistantly and learning the basics before trying to go 'FLAT OUT'. This is what an instructor should be, calm, cool, clear instructions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUSQ45SwjkE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSVECywGCFg
Paul_J	posted on 12th Feb 08 at 17:31
	P.S. I've never had a qualified proper track instructor, but I've been at days where they've been available and the people who use them really value what they have to say. The majority of circuits have qualified instructors, who give useful advice, as well as give the basics of track driving, like what the Stig tells the celebs who go to do a lap of the top gear circuit. Basics like where to break, where to be on track, when to turn in etc. Be worth it if your organising a track day for beginners AK, as some people may really benefit from it.
Whittie	posted on 12th Feb 08 at 17:25
	He didn't work for the ring, but i was just wanting to show that if you don't know a track it's worth it. :lol:
Paul_J	posted on 12th Feb 08 at 17:21
	quote: Originally posted by Whittie My friend had one in his RS round the ring. I think if you've not been round a track before / don't know the track it's worth paying X amount. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ua8YoWtyc8 Was that an 'instructor' ? :o Was the instructor holding the camera? :o despite it being against nurburg's policies... Also didn't sound much of instructor 'Nail it' :\| He also tells him 'Got that nasty hair pin in a sec' ... :\| when it's miles away, he's got about 10 corners before he reaches it... You sure this wasn't just 'his mate' sitting in the passenger seat telling him what was coming up? He also calls another driver a 'cunt' as he's 'instructing' :lol: [Edited on 12-02-2008 by Paul_J]
Whittie	posted on 12th Feb 08 at 11:33
	My friend had one in his RS round the ring. I think if you've not been round a track before / don't know the track it's worth paying X amount. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ua8YoWtyc8 And one taking the mick.. saying about his new satnav :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgu21oSohP8
AK	posted on 12th Feb 08 at 11:28
	How many people here have taken up offers of track tuition whilst on/at a trackday? I have the option to book one or several for the Knockhill trackday on the 22nd. Booking several isnt really an option for this one as the costs were'nt factored in for it. If i take 36 bookings i'll pay for one as the day will be in profit. I will prob add the cost of one or two instructors to the 'budget' for the next session when decings prices. Would you use a 'free' instuctor? Would you moan about paying a couple £ more per trackday to have the option of shared instructor / tuition?