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[quote][i]Originally posted by DaveyLC[/i] It saddens me that nearly everyone I speak to is Pro-Brexit and when I ask them why they always come out with the same reasons which are to be quite frank rather missguided and generally not even related to or caused by our membership of the EU. I'm quite passionate about this referendum and I'd really like to try and help anyone who is undecided as to why we should stay using relatively positive reasons rather than all of the negative reasons that are being peddled by both sides at the moment.. The most common reason banded around to leave is immigration or the freedom of travel within the EU, this is also generally driven by the stories in the media regarding refugees but people forget these are not EU citizens, they are not exercising their freedom of travel so it is COMPLETELY irrelevant to use this as an argument to leave as our membership of the EU has no bearing on where these people flee to or how they get there. Next is trade; many people believe the UK has no real manufacturing industry and thus we export very little to the EU so we see very little benefit in the trade agreements again this is misconception: 57% of our trade and exports are to the EU we're not just talking exports from factories but service industry and distribution, many international companies ship products to the UK to be distributed throughout the EU as we are seen as a trusted and reliable hub. Leaving the EU and fouling these trade agreements removes our competitive edge as we will be liable to tighter customs controls and expensive export duties! Thirdly people love to tell us all how the NHS is being overrun by Eastern Europeans but in reality the only Eastern Europeans you are likely to bump into on your hospital visit will be actually treating you! 55 thousand of the 1.2 million NHS staff are citizens of other EU countries (that's 4.5%) oh and it gets better! 10% of ALL doctors are from other EU countries and 4% of nurses. Could you imagine the damage leaving would cause to the NHS??? Let us not also forget the over 2 MILLION UK ex-pats living in the EU relying on our EU membership for the Healthcare and possibly pensions; Imagine if we leave and their right to health care is revoked? A large proportion of those ex-pats will no doubt feel they wish to return again putting even more strain on the NHS. But hey that's just the NHS and Trade we've covered so far, no biggy right?? WRONG: The EU does SOOOOOOO much more for us, here's a brief list of a few other things the majority of us benefit from: -CE mark (product safety). -Farm subsidies. -Paid Holidays. -Paid Maternity Leave. -Cleaner Beaches -Regulation to prevent commercial monopolies. -Freedom of Movement. -Cheaper Flights. -Shared intelligence to combat crime and terrorism. Oh I almost forgot to mention HUMAN RIGHTS, that's another elephant in the room when it comes to the IN or OUT debate. The scare mongering would have you believe that EU Human Rights are a bad thing because a tiny handful of criminals lawyers have taken advantage of these rights but let us not forget they are in-place to protect us all from possibly corrupt legal systems or bad judgements, don't blame human rights on the shady lawyers who protect these scum bags. Oh and lets look at the sort of people who want to remain v's those who want to leave: [b]Remain[/b] Simon Stevens, Chief Executive of NHS England David Nicoholson, former Chief Executive of NHS England Sir Muir Gray, Chief Knowledge Officer to the National Health Service Sir Michael Rawlins, chair of the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency. Ferdinand Mount, Former Head of the Number 10 Policy Unit for Margaret Thatcher(1980-1983) Michael Arthur, Provost and President of University College London Sir Brendan Barber, chair of the Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service (ACAS) Council, former general secretary of the Trades Union Congress Sir Patrick Bateson, scientist and president of the Zoological Society of London Billy Bragg, singer-songwriter and left-wing activist. Simon Cowell, senior English reality television judge, entrepreneur, philanthropist, film, record, and television producer Sir Iain Chalmers, health services researcher and co-founder of the Cochrane Collaboration Sir Cyril Chantler, formerly Chairman of The King's Fund and the UCL Partners academic health science network Noam Chomsky, intellectual and academic at MIT Jeremy Clarkson, television personality. Garth Crooks, former professional footballer. Ara Darzi, Baron Darzi, FRS, professor of surgery Sir Ian Diamond, Principal and Vice-Chancellor of the University of Aberdeen Tracey Emin, artist and nominee of the Turner Prize Michael Eavis, dairy farmer and the founder of the Glastonbury Festival Neil Faulkner, historian and archaeologist Stephanie Flanders, J.P. Morgan Asset Management market strategist, former BBC economics editor Lawrence Freedman, Emeritus Professor of War Studies at King's College London Bob Geldof, musician and campaigner Eva Herzigová, supermodel Sheila Hollins, Baroness Hollins, president of the College of Occupational Therapists and former president of the British Medical Association Simon Johnson, former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund Owen Jones, writer, columnist and political activist Garry Kasparov, chess grandmaster & political activist Peter Kendall, farmer and former President of the National Farmers' Union Paul Krugman, economist. Houzan Mahmoud, Kurdish activist Michael Mansfield, barrister and political activist Sir Ian McKellen, actor David Mitchell, comedian, actor, and writer Michael Morpurgo, author. Professor Bruce Campbell, non-executive director at the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency. Elaine Murphy, Baroness Murphy, professor of psychiatry Richard Murphy, economist and tax campaigner Sir Paul Nurse, scientist and Nobel laureate Ann Pettifor, economist Thomas Piketty, economist Clémence Poésy, actress and fashion model. Vicky Pryce, economist Sigrid Rausing, philanthropist. Dani Rodrik, economics professor at Harvard. Gruff Rhys, musician June Sarpong, television presenter and broadcaster The Most Revd and Rt Hon Dr John Sentamu, Archbishop of York Sandie Shaw, Eurovision Song Contest winner Kate Smurthwaite, comedian Rt Rev Alan Smith, Bishop of St Albans and Lord Spiritual Sir Tom Stoppard, play-writer Dame Janet Suzman, actress, also supported In in the 1975 referendum Martin Temple, Chairman of the Design Council. Emma Thompson, actress Sir Richard Thompson, former president of the Royal College of Physicians Wolfgang Tillmans, artist & photographer. Winner of the 2000 Turner Prize Steve Turner, trade unionist Björn Ulvaeus, musical producer, singer & song-writer Sir Simon Wessely, president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists Zoe Williams, journalist and writer Robert Winston, Baron Winston, scientist. [b]Leave[/b] Vice Admiral Sir Jeremy Blackham, Royal Navy officer Roger Bootle, economist Sir Ian Botham, cricketer Sir Michael Caine, actor Bryan Adams, Musician Noel Gallagher, British Rock Musician Duncan Bannatyne, British Businessman Sol Campbell, former professional footballer. Dia Chakravarty, activist Dame Joan Collins, actress Pat Condell, writer Piers Corbyn, owner of WeatherAction and brother of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn Major General Tim Cross, British Army officer Janet Daley, journalist Roger Daltrey, musician. James Delingpole, Martin Durkin, television director. Gillian Duffy, the Rochdale voter who Gordon Brown infamously insulted during the 2010 election campaign (Bigotgate). Sir Richard Dearlove, former head of MI6 Matthew Elliott, founder of the TaxPayers' Alliance and Big Brother Watch Julian Fellowes (Lord Fellowes), actor, novelist, film director and screenwriter Frederick Forsyth, novelist Claire Fox, writer and broadcaster Edward Fox, actor The Rev. Giles Fraser, priest of the Church of England, and journalist Julia Hartley-Brewer; broadcaster and journalist Rear Admiral Richard Heaslip, Royal Navy officer Simon Heffer, journalist Steve Hilton, former adviser to David Cameron. Peter Hitchens, journalist Katie Hopkins, TV personality and newspaper columnist Elizabeth Hurley, actress and model David Icke, conspiracy theorist Jill Kirby, writer Rear Admiral Roger Lane-Nott, Royal Navy officer Ruth Lea, economist & former head of policy at the Institute of Directors. Mark Littlewood, Director General of the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) and former chief press spokesman for the Liberal Democrats and the Pro Euro Conservative Party. Gerard Lyons, economist. Kelvin MacKenzie, journalist. Patrick Minford, economist Dreda Say Mitchell, black novelist, broadcaster and journalist. Brian Monteith, public relations consultant and commentator Tim Montgomerie, blogger, columnist of The Times and creator of ConservativeHome. Charles Moore, journalist Isabel Oakeshott, political journalist and author, and co-writer of Call Me Dave Melanie Phillips, journalist. Matt Ridley, journalist Lieutenant-General Jonathon Riley, British Army officer and military historian General Sir Michael Rose, British Army officer Arthur Scargill, trade unionist. Merryn Somerset Webb, editor Julian Thompson, former Major General in the Royal Marines. Tom Utley, journalist Major General Nick Vaux Royal Marine officer Irvine Welsh, author. Tim Worstall, writer and senior fellow of the Adam Smith Institute (source: Wikipedia) You'll notice in the first list there are several senior NHS executives and a long list of highly educated professionals. In the second list, well.. The majority are military related or just journalists. Stephen Hawking has just announced his support for the EU adding to the list of intellectuals who want to remain and he summed things up quite nicely in a recent article: [quote] “Gone are the days when we could stand on our own, against the world,” he said on the television breakfast show. “We need to be part of a larger group of nations, both for our security and our trade. The possibility of our leaving the EU has already led to a sharp fall in the pound, because the markets judge that it will damage our economy.” Hawking also addressed the biggest concern of many: immigration. “There are two obvious reasons why we should stay in. The first is that it promotes the mobility of people. Students can come here from EU countries to study, and our students can go to other EU universities. More importantly, at the level of research, the exchange of people enables skills to transfer more quickly, and brings new people with different ideas, derived from their different backgrounds,” he said. [/quote] [/quote]
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