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12th Apr 19 at 19:37   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Well the end of Clarkson, Hammond and May doing the studio audience, chat and track stuff.

17 years of epic memories, a very sad day.

Are they really going to fill a whole series with road trips and specials?
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Road trips are probably easier to make. More fun at least.
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Surprised how emotional JC was at the end. 2/3 decent 2 episode specials a year would be good; back to the ones like the Arctic/North Pole special.
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They are all getting on though, in the montage at the end it showed just how much theyíve aged, especially RH.
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Just got caught up, pretty emotional ending but I think they ended on a high - this season has been great, and right up there with some of the best TG series IMO.

I think GT only 'reviewed' about half a dozen cars over the three series - it was very "specials" focused anyway. Looking forward to seeing what they come up with, but wouldn't mind seeing some of the domestic challenge stuff they used to do, such as <£10k supercars or whatever but appreciate they're running out of content on that front...


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Road trips are probably easier to make. More fun at least.


Yeah I guess so by removing the audience and assume the track that cuts down on a lot of effort.

I would imagine the road trips are considerable effort though from scouting to preparation, filming and editing. Although time saved by removing the the other elements could then be spent on this.
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Surprised how emotional JC was at the end. 2/3 decent 2 episode specials a year would be good; back to the ones like the Arctic/North Pole special.


I really hope we would get more than that. I mean we have just had 14 episodes to Top Gears 5? although will top gear be back in the Autumn for another 5 or so?

Some asked JC on his Instgram how much longer GT will go on for and his reply was a, 'few more years at least.'
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Originally posted by Kyle T
Just got caught up, pretty emotional ending


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I just think more than that would kill it. Iíve watched maybe 2 of the new TG series, it really hasnít made me want to watch it but I think a few really well executed GT specials a year would be better than a dozen half arsed ones.
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Gutting tbh!

I enjoy the specials a lot, but itís a step away from the journalistic side and I will miss it. Miss it bad. Remember watching Clarkson Unleashed on cars in the early 90ís on VHS. This was the genesis of the Top Gear plan Willman/Clarkson came up with.

I was a kid and that shows how long they have done this for. Itís a good thing that there will be something still, it will be just as good. But the end of an era for sure.

Just a shame TG canít figure out their own IP and get some decent presenters. Was a big fan of having the two shows: more to watch. But TG has been a car crash from start to finish. (Pun intended)
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Agree 100%

I had just warmed to Matt le Blanc and towards the end there seemed to be some chemistry between him and harris and then he's off!

I loved Chris Harris content on You tube and his reviews/opinions are word of god in my eyes. However i don't feel TG works for him.

That rood boy innit blud does not work for me at all, i expect millennials love him as they lap up people such as 'livinglifefast' on you tube where every other word during their features is 'bro'.

I have watched all of the new TG's though for the car content, although it's been painful to watch at times.

To be honest the BBC fuck me off, paying a licence fee to watch what exactly? I hope they cry and kill themselves every time they see the Grand Tour which annihilates and decimates their motoring programme on the level of a supernova.
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Just got caught up, pretty emotional ending


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Harris is top drawer to be honest, and you'll probably find posts from me either on this forum or elsewhere in the past slagging him off - but I've warmed to him big time and would say he's tied first with Catchpole for my favourite auto-journalist right now.

At first it seemed TG wanted to caricature him too much, making him a bit of the idiot role that Hammond often got/gets but he doesn't need that - he just needs to be the "tech corner" where the serious reviews can be done. The YT content he's doing for TG right now is properly good, they just need that on the show.

Flintoff/Paddy can fuck right off tbh.


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I loved Chris Harris content on You tube and his reviews/opinions are word of god in my eyes. However i don't feel TG works for him.


Seconded.

On YT Chris was his own person, he offered his view without any kind of agenda or forced situation. i respected his opinion as it appeared to be based on facts.
however on TG he was paired against Matt more often than not that it wasn't a natural scenario for his style.

I'm yet to understand Rory's role.
while the "big boys" do battle, he's left with the "joke" segment, a city car or similar. except that his peice was actually useful consumer advice, if made in the wrong way or with the wrong approach.

he was "branded" as the "young" one and given the hot hatch options but is simply younger rather than young (only 5 years between Rory and Chris Harris)

although i agree that the chemistry between Harris and LeBlanc has improved and become more genuine, it was relied on too much to heavily. it appeared forced at the start, trying to copy what was there before with different presenters.

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Just a shame TG canít....get some decent presenters.


I think this is the hardest point for the BBC.

on the one hand they need someone credible, an industry expert who is a natural presenter and reporter, while on the other someone the public are going to like and/or recognise.

Chris Harris completed the former well (certainly in his YT days) and they just needed to bring that approach to TG.

Matt, Flintoff and McGuiness are prime examples of only the former - known but not for reasons that makes TG great.


Hammond and May were unknown back when "new" Top Gear started up, known by the industry yes, but not to the general public, even those petrol heads that read May's articles wouldn't necessarily have put the two together straightaway.

Forget trying to get in a household name, forget trying to keep the show afloat with D-list celebrities known for skills not near cars or reporting and do what was done 20 years ago.

reinvent the format and the programme.
Tiff Needle, VBH, Quentin Wilson all made a great show alongside Jeremy C, but they (the BBC) or rather JC brought back into something different with a new team with May and Hammond.

the BBC need to repeat that process with the current format. Pick out Chris Harris as someone now known and respected in the car industry and find two others who will become not only on-screen mates but off-screen pals too.
and then decide what the format should be.
dont look at the past and say "we want the same as it worked well" - that isn't what happened with "new" TG, gaining a fixed studio and three permanent presenters.

we're twenty years later, you can't flog the same old horse just because you've changed the jockey

[Edited on 17-04-2019 by Fonz]
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Reinvent is key!

When they bought Clarkson out they bought the rights to TG, which was essentially a dumb move. Clarkson/H/M are TG. It was imagined by Clarkson and Willman, but the essence is the cocmoradery (or not).

Trying to take that formula and make it work requires a couple of things. First of all, it needs a decent script writer and so far as I know Richard Porter of Sniff Petrol fame is the writer for Grand Tour (unsurprisingly). Second of all, it needs chemistry. This I thought was actually OK originally with Chris Evans etc, but I felt their mistake was sidelining Chris Harris. This is just proof of why this just didnít work.

Eventually Chris/Matt managed some good chemistry and it was entertaining... BUT it just always feels like they are trying to fill the gap left by the trio, they needed to sack off every essence of the old TG and keep the same ďrulesĒ. Sadly it just felt like a looky looky man copy of the original, which meant it was obviously never going to compete.

Now we have gone down the road of Z-list ďcelebsĒ to host with arguably the most credible real-world journo who is absolutely wasted in this environment.

They just need a way to monetise Farrah/Harris and film it pretty. Thatís literally all anyone wants. They donít need or want bants, as this is not their territory.

Just film it and film interesting cars and informative historic pieces.

Job done, before itís cancelled.

 
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