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A1EX
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17th Apr 03 at 12:48   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
ive got 1.6 on tb's and ive got a 2ltr turbo, and the 1.6on tb's will def be more reliable and driveable, you have to spend a lot on a turbo to get it right and reliable, also on a 1.6 engine it would hardly be worth having for the money and the problems it could cause in the future, ie turbo problems, pistons, head gaskets, theres an awful lot that can go wrong due to cooling, unless loads of £ is spent na on smaller engines is def the way to go
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17th Apr 03 at 12:49   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
turbos do sound wicked spooling up and so does a dv, but then again when throttle bodies are roaring at 6k upwards they sound just as good i know this from havin both, and both get noticed
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Luke Thomas has a 1.6 16v Turbo that he bought from Courtnay for £3000 i think. Got a Mantzel box fitted. Spec was just the exhaust, turbo, mantzel box n dump valve Put in some poor times, but i went out in it and it was pretty bloody rapid!!

But

Its not reliable. Everyone who i've spoken to about turboing these engines (16v) has had problems all the time.

A 1.6 16v on TB wont have as much torque as a turbo unit, but as said, is sooooooo much more reliable, and sounds sooooooooo much better than a dump valve. Not many people run the turbos up to 13psi + (usual is about 6-7psi) and dont get that big a dump.

Given the chance to spend £3500 on a Courtney triple head gasket bodge job and 150bhp, or say £2500 on TB, fitted, setup, with a few other bits n bobs, i'd have the TB anyday. Turbo just isn't reliable enuff.
A1EX
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17th Apr 03 at 13:11   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
unless you spend mega bucks
Daimo B
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17th Apr 03 at 13:13   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
Mega mega bucks.

But then if ur gonna do that, u might as well just a very high performance 180bhp odd TB engine.

Rev higher, sound better, fuel would be better, more reliable, and the trumpets look great

Turbos are pretty hidden behined the actuator and downpipe.
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17th Apr 03 at 13:19   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
im torn between which looks best, a tb engine with nice big trumpets, and huuuge filter or a turbo one with charge cooler, big intercooler, all the coloured hoses and shiny bits,
then again a turbo can look pretty good when youve just been on a thrash and its still glowing its just the kick of a turbo and how much it pulls in every gear even 6th upto 160+ that i love, but then again the corsa is raw power and the revving up off the clock is brilliant,
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17th Apr 03 at 13:22   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
i deffo get some TB's,
IMO dump valves r starting to become a bit neddy!
TB's have roar!
Kris TD
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17th Apr 03 at 13:25   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
how can you use a mnazel box and turbo?
im confused.
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17th Apr 03 at 14:23   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LoudCorsa
3500 is worth it for the psssshht sound, c'mon tim you know u wanna!

chaz

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Rob H
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If your gonna go turbo id go for a 2.0 cally engine, as its going to be more reliable, easier to get bits for, more tunable, and cheaper than putting in a 1.6, and then turboing it.

At the end of the day though i think your doing it the wrong way around. If you dont have a 1.4/1.6 16v already then just go for a 2.0, but if you already have one then modify that.
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17th Apr 03 at 14:35   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
i wouldn't mod my 1400, would sell it on here when the time comes...
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17th Apr 03 at 14:37   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LoudCorsa
3500 is worth it for the psssshht sound, c'mon tim you know u wanna!

chaz

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You are still grossly ghey you badger
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17th Apr 03 at 16:03   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Daimo B
Mega mega bucks.

But then if ur gonna do that, u might as well just a very high performance 180bhp odd TB engine.

Rev higher, sound better, fuel would be better, more reliable, and the trumpets look great

Turbos are pretty hidden behined the actuator and downpipe.



and everything hidden by a bonnet


TB's are better than turbo'ing
Cybermonkey
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17th Apr 03 at 16:07   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
not unless its perspex!!
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Yeah I think the main reason is I could drop a 1.6 in now and insure it. Then I could do the tb's or turbo next year. Just eager to drop out the 1.2

I would have been fine for a 2.0 if i didn't have a claim 3 year ago -- got a great preliminary quote and then my claim (3 bloody years ago) meant they wouldn't insure me... Grrrrrrr
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Oh and Ditch, it was me in Park Street
Mav 3000
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Just out of interest how much is a brand new 1.6 engine? can you buy these from Vauxhall?

Any how much is a low mileage one 2nd hand?
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Well would have thought they wouldn't be too much 2nd hand as people drop them out to fit 2.0's and 2.0's cost like £400 - £450....

Depends on mileage but I haven't really looked into it... just a thought today really...
Scott
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2.0 all the way
Mav 3000
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I've been thinking about a 1.6 conversion in the future - ie a years time.

when I was working on work placement the 1.2 just doesn't move.

Thanks for the reply Tim.

How much are throttle bodies to buy and have fitted?

Can you buy 2.0's and 1.6's new from vauxhall?
Kris TD
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a new engine will be loads, recon 2.0 from vaux are like 1500 quid.
Kris TD
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oh, and thats exchange too.
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17th Apr 03 at 16:38   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
Well there welcome to my old one!

Is it possible to get a really new low mileage 1.6 donor engine? My current mileage is just ver 35k an don't want a big upwards jump.

How much are TB's?
Daimo B
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C16XE engines are about £1000 from vauxhall NEW.

Vibrio, u can't, but when u go to meets shows and cruises people are interested. You don not attend these event hence wouldn't understand.

164TB kit for the 1600 16v is about £2k
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daimo, you said C16XE??? Can these really be bought from Vaux or did you mean X16XE??

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