A2H GO
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Originally posted by s4k1b
not always.
astra cdti sport hatch looks the same as the petrol alternative.
as does the veccy.
the leon FR too.
the A3 Sline too.
Yeah, suppose im not comparing like for like. Im thinking:
CDTi > VXR
A3 S-Line > S3
GT TDI/GT Sport > Golf GTi
335D > M3
etc
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s4k1b
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theyre not really like for like.
the VXR is kind of similar to the 888 edition of the CDTi?
there are no equivalents for the S3 or the M3
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Baskey
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If I was that worried about getting an extra 10mpg to save money I would get a better job not change my car.
I do 60 miles per day in a petrol and get 40mpg which includes a bit of ragging through the country lanes. More than happy
[Edited on 07-04-2011 by Baskey]
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RichR
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I wish I'd kept my 207hp A3 1.8T sport instead of buying this pony 2.0D X type as I would be better off; currently returning 47.5mpg, whereas the Audi was returning 42.5mpg; but with the fuel price difference between Diesel and petrol its barely noticeable and the insurance is so much more on the Jag than the Audi as well. Only saving is tax but as an all rounder, the Audi was better and more practical than this thing
So I regret buying the diesel tbh
[Edited on 07-04-2011 by LiVe LeE]
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A2H GO
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Maybe I should have said the petrol tends to be the pinacle of the range with the best diesel variants tending to have a poorer spec in terms of body styling/interior. Making it a harder choice for car enthuaists who want the top spec with the economy of a diesel.
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Baskey
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I know dervs can be quick up the slip road or whatever but are there any that are fun to thrash through country lanes
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Fro
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http://www.parkers.co.uk/News/Motoring-Costs/Petrol-vs-Diesel-calculator/
good comparisons on there on how many miles to break even etc.
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3CorsaMeal
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Originally posted by fro-dizzle
http://www.parkers.co.uk/News/Motoring-Costs/Petrol-vs-Diesel-calculator/
good comparisons on there on how many miles to break even etc.
 at the BMW thats 287,356 to break even
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3CorsaMeal
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Vauxhall Corsa 1.4 SXi 3dr
1.3 CDTi 90 SXi 3dr
£290
33,796 miles
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adiohead
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"Diesel auto won’t break even" 
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3CorsaMeal
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30mpg seems fairly average for a decent performing petrol car imo i get more the corrado.
whats a common average mpg for an average diesel?
50mpg?
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mwg
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I don't really look at the lifetime costs. I just want to know how much a car costs me every month.
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3CorsaMeal
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Originally posted by mwg
I don't really look at the lifetime costs. I just want to know how much a car costs me every month.
bet its hundreds of pounds
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Ben J
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Glad I did.
42mpg average v 23mpg average.
Winner.
[Edited on 07-04-2011 by Ben J]
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mwg
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Before I've even put any fuel in it
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djgritt
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quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
Maybe I should have said the petrol tends to be the pinacle of the range with the best diesel variants tending to have a poorer spec in terms of body styling/interior. Making it a harder choice for car enthuaists who want the top spec with the economy of a diesel.
The Mazda 6 2.2 DIESEL Sport I have was, and still is, their top of the range offering for that model...
It's a 2.2 TDi with a factory output of 185PS - Their highest output petrol is a 2.5 with 170PS.
They look identical, apart from the Diesel has an Intercooler in one of the bumper side vents, and they both come with the same heavily loaded standard-fit Equipment list.
Similarly, the Octavia vRS - yes, the Petrol in this case is more powerful etc, but to look at and equipment wise, the TDi version is identical. With the same options list... And again with the current Leon FR.
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A2H GO
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quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
quote:
Originally posted by mwg
I don't really look at the lifetime costs. I just want to know how much a car costs me every month.
bet its hundreds of pounds
I'd guess at £340pm for Mini finance.
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3CorsaMeal
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diesels weigh more and don't handle as well
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A2H GO
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Originally posted by djgritt
quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
Maybe I should have said the petrol tends to be the pinacle of the range with the best diesel variants tending to have a poorer spec in terms of body styling/interior. Making it a harder choice for car enthuaists who want the top spec with the economy of a diesel.
The Mazda 6 2.2 DIESEL Sport I have was, and still is, their top of the range offering for that model...
It's a 2.2 TDi with a factory output of 185PS - Their highest output petrol is a 2.5 with 170PS.
They look identical, apart from the Diesel has an Intercooler in one of the bumper side vents, and they both come with the same heavily loaded standard-fit Equipment list.
Similarly, the Octavia vRS - yes, the Petrol in this case is more powerful etc, but to look at and equipment wise, the TDi version is identical. With the same options list... And again with the current Leon FR.
I agree that some manufacturers are cottening onto the fact that people want the performance/looks of a high end petrol with the economy of the diesel engine, Seat Leon FR is an example of this, same as the BMW 1 Series M-Sport. One has a nasty interior and the other is too expensive.
[Edited on 07-04-2011 by A2H GO]
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Fro
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635d is another example.
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whitter45
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Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
diesels weigh more and don't handle as well
just because the engine is heavier does not mean it doesn't handle as well
On that basis your rad must not handle that well with a big lump up front
you talk shit
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Jambo
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Originally posted by s4k1b
well top gear raced the 535D Vs the M5, and the difference was marginal.
a rece around their test track, the 535 was like a second or so slower.
and the M5 engine, when idling, sounds like a diesel anyway lol
The M5 would be about 1BILLION times nicer to drive and be at least a billion times more fun.
As for the idle, have you heard one full chat?!
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whitter45
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quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
quote:
Originally posted by djgritt
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Originally posted by A2H GO
Maybe I should have said the petrol tends to be the pinacle of the range with the best diesel variants tending to have a poorer spec in terms of body styling/interior. Making it a harder choice for car enthuaists who want the top spec with the economy of a diesel.
The Mazda 6 2.2 DIESEL Sport I have was, and still is, their top of the range offering for that model...
It's a 2.2 TDi with a factory output of 185PS - Their highest output petrol is a 2.5 with 170PS.
They look identical, apart from the Diesel has an Intercooler in one of the bumper side vents, and they both come with the same heavily loaded standard-fit Equipment list.
Similarly, the Octavia vRS - yes, the Petrol in this case is more powerful etc, but to look at and equipment wise, the TDi version is identical. With the same options list... And again with the current Leon FR.
I agree that some manufacturers are cottening onto the fact that people want the performance/looks of a high end petrol with the economy of the diesel engine, Seat Leon FR is an example of this, same as the BMW 1 Series M-Sport. One has a nasty interior and the other is too expensive.
[Edited on 07-04-2011 by A2H GO]
most car manufactuerers offer the car in derv and petrol for the sam etrim
MSPORT is available in both
Sline in both
Benz sport in both
Vauxhall SRI in both
the list goes on
The fact is most days you cant tell the difference between a petrol and a derv if it is not labelled on the boot
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Graham88
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Originally posted by whitter45
People are comparing a 260+ petrol car to a 100+ derv so isnt fair
I would be interested to see comments for like for like
I.e 335i vs 335d etc
But that wasn't the question asked 
The question was have they made a mistake, my answer is no, Diesels are boring & slow.
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adiohead
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The top top top of the range is usually a petrol.
my 1.8T sounds like a diesel on idle
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