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Ben G
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12th Feb 11 at 17:14   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

what are the differences between the 210 and 225's? is it just the steering wheel or are there more differences?

this one looks nice, but is it definitely a 225?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2383113.htm

cheers.
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i could be wrong but i think all the cupra R's like that one you posted all 225 bhp?

isnt this the older style thats the 180 and 210 bhp?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2477739.htm


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Ben G
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i thought that but some of the facelifts have 210bhp aswell.

thre was one advertised on autotrader as a 225 but the technical data showed it only had 210bhp.
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R's are either 210 or 225, I think the 210's are more likely to have leather recaros, but I don't know what the actual differences are.
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i know there isn't much difference in actual power (and i would get a remap anyway), i'd just rather have the 225 if there are any cosmetic differences.
big eck
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12th Feb 11 at 17:41   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

The 225 has the tear drop shaped wing mirrors and the red band at the top of the steering wheel. The engine code is different as well I think. The 225 is the BAM, the other one is AUK I think.

[Edited on 12-02-2011 by big eck]
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12th Feb 11 at 18:14   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Quick search on google found this.....

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=115851
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Get him to tell you the engine code and check it on here...

http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34368
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The 1 in question will be a 225 with the BAM engine.
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Hold out for a 225
Ben G
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quote:
Originally posted by Corsa_Sport21
The 1 in question will be a 225 with the BAM engine.


nice one, cheers.

probably sold now but hopefully not.
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the 225 was the later model... usually spotted by the wing mirrors being a sort of tear drop shape. Older ones have stubby squared mirrors
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Minimal difference and 210 is ment to be a stronger engine. Mine was a 53 plate and sure that had tear drop mirrors.
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Then they were changed to the later ones mate if your was the 210.
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Seat Cupra.net says:


Most Customer Cupra R's were a '52 plate althought the odd ex-press car / demo maybe an '02 plate. All these cars had square mirrors (off a MkIV Golf) the later 210’s (from early May ’03 on) had teardrop mirrors.

All 210's had black Cupra badges (the painted lettering on the rear "Cupra" badge is black). There was a limited run (total of 60 cars) of Platinum metallic paint in early '03 cars, all had teardrop mirrors.

All 225's have teardrop mirrors, chunkier steering wheel, perforated leather on the gear knob, red cupra badges, extra stone guards on the front wheels and different wheel bearings. Platinum became standard and Artic Grey was added to the paint options. These early 225's were fitted with Tracker.

210’s steering wheel is the same as the Cupra’s, but with red stitching. The 225 has a thicker stering wheel with a red band at the top. The steering wheels are a straight swap and the airbags are the same.

We were never sure if the new wheel bearings were "upgrades" or just from a different supplier.

The “pegs” holding the front carpet mats in place are round on the 210’s and oval on the 225’s.

The parcel shelf on the 210 has retractable strings, the 225 does not.

05 Plate 225's
There were a few changes on the '05 (Sept 2005) cars:
The red was changed from Flash Red to Emocion Red. Emocion red is slightly darker.
Tracker was removed.
Cars included a “motorsport package” - a pair of Seat Sport jackets, baseball caps and a track based tuition day.

210’s have tape decks and 6 disc changers,
225’s have single CD heads and 6 disc changers,
05 reg cars have just a single CD.

Recaros and Sat Nav where the only options, the recaro option on the 210 (£1,200) was front AND rear, on the 225s it was front only and £795.

Very Late (When the FR+ came out) cars came in Metallic Black. The FR+ looks like a Euro Spec LCR - they are 180 petrol and 150 diesel cars, with the full LCR bodykit but with the Euro 17" LCR alloys, and no brembo calipers.

Engine Differences:
210 is an AMK Engine code, 225 is BAM.

210bhp/199lbft vs 225ps/208lbft. Both cars remap to practically the same. The 210 is actually 212ps, and the 225(ps) is actually 222bhp.

ECU Code for the 225 has an “A” on the end.

There were always rumours that the 210 had stronger internals (20mm wrist pins and different rods), but it seems that this rumour stemmed from the early Audi S3 APY engine (also 210bhp) having stronger rods. However, Yumann's engine (AMK) build thread, he kindly measured the gudgeon pins for us, and they are 20mm. The later BAM engine are supposed to have 19mm wrist pins.

From ETOS and ETKA the block and piston set for AMK 6A 103 101 J and for the BAM : 06A 103 101 J, conrod for AMK : 027 198 401 B, conrod for BAM : 027 198 401 B. So if they are different, nobody told SEAT Parts.

Both engines have VVT, but this is apparently for emissions rather than a VTEC style torque/power shift. Although most cars definitely pull again at about 4,000 rpm). Originally we thought the VVT actuation was different (one mechanical the other hydraulic) but we now understand them to be the same. Again, it is the APY (early 210 S3 engine, never fitted to the LCR) that has mechanical VVT actuation and possibly where the rumour started. Both AMK and BAM have Electro-hydraulic VVT actuation.

The turbo (K04-23 from Borg-Warner), manifold & exhaust are all the same.

225 has stone guard around front discs, 225 side repeaters are cheaper Seat copies of original VW with different connector. Last run of 225's came with free smartnav inc one year tracking and fifteen free routes. 6 disc changer removed on later disc equipped 225's.

the early S3 210 engine, coded APY had the mechanical VVT and 20mm gudgeon pins.

Also, it seems the AMK and BAM have a valve that "electrically allows oil pressure from the oil pump to adjust the cam timing on the inlet camshaft". Sounds Hydraulic to me, but some people refer to it as electrical.

APY was the early S3 engine (210), followed by the "Facelift" engine (there was a facelifted S3) which was the AMK, later a further engine, the BAM was introduced. There seems to be a few other differences between the APY and the later engines - it seems mostly emissions stuff, extra lambda sensors, a change from the K04-20 to the K04-23 (which is essentially the same, but has an extra sensor) and the switch from Mechanical to Hydraulic/electrical VVT actuation all related to control, and perhaps larger injectors on the AMK/BAM. It seems the ECU changed to the me7.5 on the AMK/BAM
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They handle like a small boat in rough sea's

Or at least the one my mate had did.
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What's your budget?
Ben G
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around 6k.
adiohead
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You can have mine
Ben G
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i want a red one
big eck
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14th Feb 11 at 00:22   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by AndyCorsaSport
They handle like a small boat in rough sea's

Or at least the one my mate had did.


Mine handled just as good as my old 106.

Red is the best colour to go for



[Edited on 14-02-2011 by big eck]
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Red is fucking gay. My mum drives a red cupra

Platinum Grey is the only colour to own if you really have a penis.
Ben G
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theres already a low grey one in my work, i don't want to copy

and red looks better when clean
adiohead
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You could of had mine for free too.
Ben G
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i'd rather pay 6k for a red one tbh

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