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Patrick
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People, If I was to order a K&N induction kit listed for an Escort Cosworth would it be like the huge one I saw on a Cosworth at Santa Pod on Sunday or are all K&N's the same size but just in different fitments?

I want a bigger kit that will flow much more air into the throttle bodies and I'm designing a clever bit of kit that will keep all the air coming in nice and cold!


So just want to know whether it will be like the huge one I saw on Sunday!
Patrick
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Stop it
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makes no difference steve. you can go too small but getting a huge filter won;t make any difference.
Pete
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You might find problems with the neck size, as they vary a bit. Also K&N make large and small kits for the Escort Cossie.

You'll find a BFO would make life easier - it's the same diameter cone, but with a Corsa spinning.
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dunno why people expect so much from an air FILTER, its only to remove dust and dirt, it ain't no turbo.
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quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
dunno why people expect so much from an air FILTER, its only to remove dust and dirt, it ain't no turbo.


Yeah but it's about removing the dust and dirt the most efficient way.

With an induction kit it's not replacing the filter, but the air inlet system, and if air can be forced in, kept cooler, etc. then you'll find power gains.
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Neck size doesn't really matter as I will be designing my own intake system so will make it around the neck size. If it doesn't make any difference I don't care as long as it doesn't loose any power. After seeing the kit on the cosworth on Sunday I want one. Looks lovely! Especially as it was a K&N, I like the look of them but the tiny one I've got at the moment looks a bit pants. This one looked very masculine though!
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but only small gains, u get a noise at most. Any gain is virtually unnoticed.
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Patrick - for christ's sake stop @rsing around with filters and the like and get that fcuking engine of yours properly mapped with a decent ECU.
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Well that told him Andy
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy
Patrick - for christ's sake stop @rsing around with filters and the like and get that fcuking engine of yours properly mapped with a decent ECU.


Andy. Stop stressing
I'm getting a MBE ecu in about a month, just saving up for it. Not looked into it yet so don't know how much they cost but am guessing a total of about 750 including fitting and mapping? About right or will it be more or less?
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy Stocker
Well that told him Andy



I also told him this. but does he listen
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quote:
Originally posted by vibrio
quote:
Originally posted by Andy Stocker
Well that told him Andy



I also told him this. but does he listen


No
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this is what I suspected.
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That engine he has could be so much more powerful with SBD and MBE gear, not pooperchips and Dbilias!

dave
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Patrick - remember to allow enough folding stuff to get it properly installed and then mapped on a RR. For half a day's mapping, you're looking at around 200. Sounds expensive, but it's the mapping that will produce the extra power - most of the budget ECUs are actually quite similar in terms of what they offer.
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quote:
Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
but only small gains, u get a noise at most. Any gain is virtually unnoticed.


I've seen rolling road results for a Pipercross Viper giving up to 10-12bhp extra! Certain cars respond well to air filters, and some filters obviously work better than others.

And Paddy - it may be of interest to you - Vicki has an Omex ECU for sale for about 400 notes - easier to map than the MBE and a fair bit cheaper.....
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i'll let u have that one then
Andy
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quote:
Originally posted by Pete


And Paddy - it may be of interest to you - Vicki has an Omex ECU for sale for about 400 notes - easier to map than the MBE and a fair bit cheaper.....


Yeah - and Omex now manufacture the budget GEMS ECUs under licence (GEMS units are one of the most popular with the rally boys), so you could do much worse....
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What's better then, MBE or OMEX? Don't want to pay good money then be dissapointed afterwards. Rather would get the better one at the start!

Wanna start doing things properly!
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i believe k&ns can kiss my arse
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy
quote:
Originally posted by Pete


And Paddy - it may be of interest to you - Vicki has an Omex ECU for sale for about 400 notes - easier to map than the MBE and a fair bit cheaper.....


Yeah - and Omex now manufacture the budget GEMS ECUs under licence (GEMS units are one of the most popular with the rally boys), so you could do much worse....


rover ECU's are MEMS
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quote:
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i believe k&ns can kiss my arse


wot has kennie & neville ever done to you steve
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they sucked you off
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quote:
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they sucked you off


if you were refering to me ross lad, i think you said that because you are jeleous, and please stop sending me txt messages askin me for sex, I DONT WANT TOO

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