Bullet Proof SRi
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If the price of the car did not come into it, would you have a diesel as a stop start car, it would get used for more miles but mostly stop start, around (k a year.
Im divering over which car to go for out of the many ive thought of, but thinking of cost saving after buying the car and the fact that i can have something more sporty and pay less then the equivalent petrol.
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AndyKent
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Ignoring the stop start bit as I don't think that matters, I bought a diesel because:
It was quicker and a better drive than the quivalent level petrol
The extra cost of purchase will be mostly recouped when you sell it
Cost of diesel wasn't much more than petrol, but the car was massively more economical so overall cheaper to run.
Plus I could get it mapped which the petrol wouldn't take (turbo versus non-turbo).
The noise of it doesn't bother me. The only thing is the less miles you do the smaller the saving in cost you'll see. If you're doing less than 10k miles it'll probably cost pretty much the same to run as a petrol. No more, but no less either.
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dannymccann
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I wouldnt pass up my diesel astra for any 'equivalent' petrol car, it would have to be something special that doesnt have a diesel alternative for me to go back to petrol.
Even things like M3's can be kept up with by 335d's etc, maybe not on a track but in the real world...
My Astra was supposed to be a inbetween car, we bought it in May 2008 at 8 years old thinking it would be dead by now, but nothing goes wrong with it so weve still got it and its going strong 
So Yes in answer to your question
[Edited on 16-01-2011 by dannymccann]
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AndyKent
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This is what I'm struggling with Danny. I've been wanting to sell my Golf for a little petrol but they're all shit in comparison 
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dannymccann
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Thing I'm finding is the diesel engine appears to be built much better than petrol, this one has taken its fair share of ragging and just laps it up, my 1.4ls corsa nicked a piston ring and dropped 2 head gaskets, my 1.4sri corsa's bottom end spilled out all over the road and my 1.8 escort si fell apart at the MOT station 
This car just rolls over everything and anything 
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Bullet Proof SRi
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Me and the gf are struggling to decide what to get tbh, some say diesels are just not suited to stop start as they dont have time to warm up they can go wrong.
he way i am looking at it is i can get something more powerful in a diesel then what i can afford in a petrol model with respect to tax, incurance and fuel economy. Maybe thats not the way to look at it , im not sure
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deano87
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Be careful if it's a diesel with DPF, it'll be shocking on MPG and will need servicing frequently.
The diesel vs. petrol comparison generally only works with brand new cars, as they typically cost £k's more.
I went for a petrol for a number of reasons, namely that I did my figures, and for the equivalent 'sporty' small diesel such as a Zetec S Fiesta or diesel Grande Punto, they'd have been pigs for the price I paid.
As it happens mine is about to cost me £1500 in a engine repair bill but I've just been unlucky and yes, the diesel car might not have had this problem. But it's the risk you buy with any car.
For 9k miles per year? I'd be getting a petrol tbh.
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Bullet Proof SRi
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i know about the dpf filters and to avoid them, but thanks for your advice
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pow
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My journey to work isn't really a good one, quite a bit of start stopping, I still get a good 48MPG out of it and the DPF regen light NEVER comes on on the dashboard. I don't think a petrol with 120bhp would cost me that little to run?
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dannymccann
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Dont think my car knows what a DPF is (it is 10 years old this year though, on 95k)
If you go for an older diesel they wont have them, my commute to work is 7 miles each way, 3.5 at 30 and 3.5 at 60/70, not had any problems yet, as long as you take it for a brisk drive at the weekend you would be fine 
[Edited on 16-01-2011 by dannymccann]
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Cole
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I love my little diesel £15 a week in fuel that's 180 miles to and from work etc it makes up for the £35 a week in the zafira to less miles lol
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dannymccann
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quote:
Originally posted by Cole
I love my little diesel £15 a week in fuel that's 180 miles to and from work etc it makes up for the £35 a week in the zafira to less miles lol
As Cole hasnt mentioned, thats a 1.5DCi Clio he's talking about
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Robin
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Yes. Modern diesels make no noise, no smoke and are smoother than the petrol equivalent, as well as often more powerful.
When I bought mine, I drove a 320i and a 320d an there was no comparison.
Mine is 5 years old but already outdated in diesel terms, the newer model the same is £35 a year to tax, has 180bhp and does 70mpg.... No brained tbh.
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davcohen
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I recently drove a 118d no idea what the power output was but when I got out I had to check I had read the badge correctly the only and I mean only give away was the 5k on the rev counter.
It was just as quiet as a petrol, there was no turbo lag and well it drove like a petrol.
Im guessing this was the lower powered version seeming as it was only a 118d but I was so impressed I would buy a BMW without any hesitation what so ever
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T21SVJ
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I bought a octavia VRS diesel thinking it would save me alot of money etc, around town i was getting about 38-40mpg but i did have a massive problem with the DPFs on the car i put 17k on the car within 9 months but kept having problems i lost a grand within the 9 months.
now i have a ibiza which is cheaper to insure, cheaper tax, faster, and is doing around 36mpg in town.
just all depends on what sort of car your looking at.
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pow
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I HATE it when people think you whack a diesel round town and still get 50MPG.
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Steve
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i like diesels i just find the short power band and lack of top end pull a little boring
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Bullet Proof SRi
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im looking at cars without dpf filters
astras
fiocus
golf
fabia vrs
fiesta
many more on the list
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corsagsigav
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dpf filters are pants
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corsagsigav
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quote:
Originally posted by Bullet Proof SRi some say diesels are just not suited to stop start as they dont have time to warm up they can go wrong.
should be fine as long as you let the plugs warm up when you are restarting really.
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whitter45
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quote:
Originally posted by davcohen
I recently drove a 118d no idea what the power output was but when I got out I had to check I had read the badge correctly the only and I mean only give away was the 5k on the rev counter.
It was just as quiet as a petrol, there was no turbo lag and well it drove like a petrol.
Im guessing this was the lower powered version seeming as it was only a 118d but I was so impressed I would buy a BMW without any hesitation what so ever
the 118D is a 2.0 Derv with 143 BHP - Very little vibration and quieter than the more powerful 184 BHP version
the 116D, 118D, 120D and 123D are all 2.0 engines
the stop start is a great aspect that most manufacturers are now doing
Rather than MPG advantage I think its works for emissions for manufacturers putting their new cars through the various cycles. Lower emissions emans less lower bands on tax so more attarctive to businesses and also greener people lol
Its doesnt work allt he time anyway (has to be above 3'C, Battery power has to enough to start is again, engine needs to be warm etc) so doesnt always kick in. Can be annoying in stop start tafiic but great in heavy conjestion
You can also disable it if you wish
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whitter45
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quote:
Originally posted by corsagsigav
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Originally posted by Bullet Proof SRi some say diesels are just not suited to stop start as they dont have time to warm up they can go wrong.
should be fine as long as you let the plugs warm up when you are restarting really.
controlled by the ECU so that will do all the thinking and checking for you - well you would hope so
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pow
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I had a mito with start stop that pissed me off so much I turned it off
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Matt L
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I personally wouldnt tbh my ibiza awas a stop staart car for a year and got so boggy, unless you give it a good thrash once a month or something it started it to bog down something shocking, now my commutes a good hour each way then its much better.
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3CorsaMeal
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i think everyone talks crap tbh
people buy diesels as their dad has one and they think its going to save them thousands of pounds each year.
most people save feck all and find themselves driving a car they don't like when they think they are saving mega money in the long term.
yet people don't mind wasting money on depreciation/VAT etc and pay thousands of thousands more than a car is REALLY worth.
Should something brand new really break in the first few years?
Stop start car wtf, cars don't break because of that and i'm sure 99% of CS won't own a car that long to find out
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