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alan-g-w
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5th Jan 10 at 14:46   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

As above, lost the keys on the 23rd Decemeber and they've still not turned up. I'm thinking they're possibly in the snow so I'm going to have to wait till it thaws to have a proper look, but if I still can't find them what's the deal with getting a new ignition barrel and lockset? How do you go about changing the ignition barrel? Is there any way of stripping the it down so that it's just a switch for the ignition? But if I do that will I be able to start it due to a lack of the chip in the key?

Or would I be able to give Vauxhall my VIN or something and get a new key cut?
davieslim
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5th Jan 10 at 16:28   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

you can remove the cowling and start the car by removing the ignition switch and starting it with a screw drive lol, im possitive ive got a spare lockset from my sport, new locksets are 190 from vauxhall
alan-g-w
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5th Jan 10 at 16:48   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Good shit davie, now I just need a couple of mates to snap the steering lock

I had the cowling off today, how is it I go about getting the switch exposed?
harrisp
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5th Jan 10 at 16:50   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by davieslim
you can remove the cowling and start the car by removing the ignition switch and starting it with a screw drive lol, im possitive ive got a spare lockset from my sport, new locksets are 190 from vauxhall


It will run for about 5 seconds until the immobiliser cuts in.

A cheaper way to do it is a lockset, then an ecu and immobiliser chip and ring off ebay, I got that lot off ebay for 20 a while back.

[Edited on 05-01-2010 by harrisp]
AlexW
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5th Jan 10 at 16:55   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

What year is it? Your best of just waiting and finding your keys.

alan-g-w
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5th Jan 10 at 17:54   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

98 on an S, pretty sure it has an immobiliser. Phoned Vauxhall and they've said it's about 100 for a new key.
Terry12
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5th Jan 10 at 18:19   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Is that 100 including the programming?
scottc1088
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5th Jan 10 at 18:24   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

iv got a ecu transponder and chip if you need one
alan-g-w
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quote:
Originally posted by Terry12
Is that 100 including the programming?


Aye, think so. I phoned the local dealer up today and they said their 'machine was broken' so they'd need to send away for it. Might try another couple of dealers first though.
alan-g-w
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5th Jan 10 at 18:28   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

scottc1088, is the ecu transponder the bit that sense the chip?
Terry12
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5th Jan 10 at 18:37   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

I'd go for a secondhand lockset and transponder.

[Edited on 05-01-2010 by Terry12]
alan-g-w
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5th Jan 10 at 18:54   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Aye, thought that's what I was looking at.

How hard a job is it?
alan-g-w
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5th Jan 10 at 19:11   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Am I right in saying I don't need the ECU from the car I'm taking the lockset from?
Terry12
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5th Jan 10 at 19:18   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

As far as I know you need the little chip from the key and the transponder behind the steering wheel.
The other option is remove a door lock, Take it to a lock smith for him to cut a key from your barrel. Then all you'd need the chip and transponder without the need to change all the locks.

If you're worried about someone finding the key then change all locks.
The door locks and boot lock are simple to do. For the ignition barrel you need to turn the key to position 1 or 11 and use a small allen key to remove it. If you can turn the barrel it is a 2 min job to swap.

If you can't turn the barrel carefully drill out the centre of it until the copper pins inside are gone then use a screwdriver to turn the barrel.
alan-g-w
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5th Jan 10 at 19:22   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

I'm pretty sure I don't need the ECU since it's an XE ECU I'm using, if that was the case people selling engines would need to include the key surely?
Terry12
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5th Jan 10 at 19:28   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

You don't need the transponder then. Just go get a key cut from a locksmith. I did away with my immobiliser when fitting the XE.
alan-g-w
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5th Jan 10 at 19:29   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Hmmm excellent. Cheers mate.
Terry12
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5th Jan 10 at 19:29   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

I'm pretty sure Vauxhall can just send away for a normal key to be cut without the chip inside it if you go in with V5 or security keycard.
AlexW
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5th Jan 10 at 20:14   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Half of that is rubbish.

To start with, You WILL need the ECU, matching keychip and transponder (keychip inside key, transponder around barrel), Then lock set.

Vauxhall will do the imobliser changing but your need details from the car the key etc came from. If the ECU has wrong signal the car will start and die after 5secs.

Ive been there.

Just read the thread proper, IF your running a XE then your only need the key, but anything with the imobliser/orignal engine then it will!

[Edited on 05-01-2010 by AW06]
alan-g-w
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6th Jan 10 at 15:40   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Cheers lads, I'll see how much they're wanting wihtout the programming then.
davieslim
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6th Jan 10 at 16:45   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

the xe wont need a chip, ive yet to come across one that came with a factory imobiliser, just buy a lockset and ignition barrel surround and cut the bolt on the old one and replace it all, job done
scottc1088
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6th Jan 10 at 16:56   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

if its a c16xe or c20xe then u done need a chipset
alan-g-w
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quote:
Originally posted by davieslim
the xe wont need a chip, ive yet to come across one that came with a factory imobiliser, just buy a lockset and ignition barrel surround and cut the bolt on the old one and replace it all, job done


Good shit. What do you mean by cut the bolt?
davieslim
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7th Jan 10 at 21:22   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

the ignition barrel surrounds held on with a botl which has no head, kinda security thing, cut it off and the surround will come off then you just fit the new one and new locks to go with it
alan-g-w
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Ah right aye I know what you mean, saw it the other day. Am I able to do that with the steering lock engaged?

 
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