Paul_J
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I bought some OEM 17" honda s2000 wheels...
They were bought over ebay, from a honda dealer...
The advert said, Honda S2000 wheels fully reburbished in new condition.
I was cleaning my car today and noticed that the 'paint' was peeling and 'flaking' off... 
Wtf?
Note these standard wheels cost me £520 without tyres. I paid it as they looked in good condition and 'refurbished like new' in my opinion sounds good as it's almost like having brand new wheels.
However, give it a month or two and there'll be whole lumps of paint missing. Clearly they've not been powercoated. 
Can I do anything about it? I bought through ebay and paid on paypal, I've already left positive feedback due to them originally looking brilliant.
[PICTURES ADDED]
- This is an example of the flaking...
[Edited on 10-05-2009 by Paul_J]
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Rich H
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Rattle cans maybe??
Can only contact them and see what they say tbh.
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Luke
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Probberly not to be honest. They will see it that you've had the wheels ex amount of time & will no doubt blame you.
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by Rich H
Rattle cans maybe??
Can only contact them and see what they say tbh.
Looks like it mate...
this was them new in my lounge
too dark to get a pic of them now... but it's like a whole load of paint is just cracked and pealed off the size of 2 50 p peices... Won't be long before the whole lot falls off..
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Luke
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If they were done with rattle cans you would of noticed it before now.
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by Luke
If they were done with rattle cans you would of noticed it before now.
even if they were blown over with a spray gun... it's same difference.
Isn't the correct way of refurbing wheels to get them powder coated?
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Luke
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quote:
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Originally posted by Luke
If they were done with rattle cans you would of noticed it before now.
even if they were blown over with a spray gun... it's same difference.
Isn't the correct way of refurbing wheels to get them powder coated?
No not at all. I had my wheels re-furbed & sprayed. My paint hasn't come off.
In the ebay ad did it specifically say how the wheels had been painted or even powder coated?
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mattk
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not strictly
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Rich H
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No they can be professionally refurbed using spray guns but have to be stripped back properly, well prepped and plenty of layers of lacquer etc. Not a quick once over with the rattle cans or spray gun.
Presumably they haven't been cleaned using acid wheel cleaners and stupidly high pressure water?
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Paul_J
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no this was the ebay ad.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290311531454&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123
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Luke
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Great description.
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Paul_J
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Despite it being a 'ebay' advert... It was actually a Honda Dealership I went to and collected them from. 
Wonder if I should email Honda head office and explain their employees are shifting dodgy stock out the back doors to people privately.
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Luke
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Like i said, they will probberly blame you so they get out of paying.
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Rich H
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Originally posted by Luke
Like i said, they will probberly blame you so they get out of paying.
Quite possibly, but tbf there's no harm trying.
Another thing is if they have a qucik brush up to make them presentable, I'd imagine the temps they reached on track etc won't have helped!
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--ToM--
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if you know what your doing you can spray a set of wheels just as good out of a rattle can as you can out of a gun. probably down to a shitty rushed refurb to make some quick money
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Ian
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They're advertised as refurbished and that is what they are. I would imagine Honda head office won't really care that they're selling what they say they are.
The issue for me lies in the quality of the refurbishment and I would consider your right to expect durable goods that remain in good condition in a reasonable timeframe.
The method of finish, be it powder coat or paint and the method of application is outside the scope of your complaint. At no time were you advised that they would finished using any specific method. Sale of Goods Act doesn't give you the right to dictate how working practices are conducted, merely that they are done to a good standard, however that is achieved.
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Paul_J
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but good standard ian? clearly these weren't to good standard?
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Luke
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If you wasn't happy with the standard you would'nt of put them on the car.
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Paul_J
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hmm...
So as long as it looks good at first, it's perfectly fine... 
I'm surprised more people don't do bodge jobs on alloy refurbishment then.
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Luke
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Originally posted by Paul_J
So as long as it looks good at first, it's perfectly fine...
Thats normally the case, but with you it's obviously different.
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Mike
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A lot of companies that sell refurbed alloys will do a good job cos they want customers to recommend them to other people. With your's it looks like they've inherited some wheels with some slight kerbing, chucked a bit of paint on then flogged em cos it's not something they'd normally deal with
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IvIarkgraham
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its not really acceptable but you have no chance getting anything off them
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Ian
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
but good standard ian? clearly these weren't to good standard?
This is my point.
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Originally posted by Luke
If you wasn't happy with the standard you would'nt of put them on the car.
Disagree - the initial finish is not the issue. They should maintain a reasonable finish for a reasonable time. That's a legal standpoint.
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Ian
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Originally posted by IvIarkgraham
its not really acceptable but you have no chance getting anything off them
Yes you do - they're not fit for purpose. You wouldn't really be in a position to command new wheels or be compensated financially in any way but you have a right for the refurbishment to have been carried out satisfactorily.
Have you spoken to them yet? If not then this is well worth doing. You may even be pleasantly surprised.
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Luke
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What will honda say if he tries to take them back? They probberly wont accept blame for the wheels. Like i said earlier in the thread, paul will get the blame unless the dealers are decent.
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