Cheese Man Chris
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Iv always thought: polish car first then wax it?
But im having doubt as to weather thats right? do these similar prodcts do the same thing?
What do people think?
[Edited on 24-04-2009 by Cheese Man Chris]
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X 60RSA
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Cant do any harm, but usually you wax after polishing, yes.
Polish is to more clean the paint work, remove scratches etc. It will also seal the paint i think but not as good as a wax. You'll find a good wax will make car washing a lot easier and you can just wash with cold water.
Folk suggest just washing the paintwork down with merely cold water after waxing, less chance of warm water/detergents breaking down the wax.
[Edited on 24-04-2009 by X 60RSA]
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Colin
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Polishing makes it shine, wax protects & makes thw shine last.
So yes polish then wax!
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Graham88
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Yeah I need to get into waxing. If I polish the car then the next time I wash it without polishing it generally brings most of the polish off.
[Edited on 24-04-2009 by Graham88]
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BluKoo
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Polish isn't something that is left on the car. ie. its not layerable
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neil h
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Polishes are abrasive and used to remove tiny layers of paint (usuall a few microns) to remove scratches and defects.
Waxes/Sealants are then applied to the paint to provide protection from dirt and what not. A good layer of wax will make washing the car easier as the dirt is more likely to stick to the wax rather than the paint and so is easier to remove with out damaging the paintwork underneath.
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Jill
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Also, if you are thinking of waxing make sure you definitely invest in a claybar too to use after you have washed the car and before polishing and waxing. I use Zymol lehm klay and zymol lube, it's awesome 
I do:
Wash and dry with zymol autobathe
Clay car
Wash and dry as above
Zymol HD cleanse
Zymol carbon or concourse wax (depending what mood I am in lol)
Here is an example of the water beading on my frs last august after one wax:
Polishing is good imo but waxing produces a better result- takes a fair old while preparing the car and paint but worth it in the end.
JILL 
[Edited on 24-04-2009 by Jill]
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Richardhhha
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when i used to clean the corsa it used to get
pressure washed to loosen any heavy soiling
bilt hamber autofoam'd with a 10 min dwell
pressure washed again
bilt hamber clay bar (no need for loob with this clay as it just uses water)
pressure wash.
hand wash using micro fiber mit and megs gold class shampoo/conditioner
then a good 3 coats of auto glym supper resin polish
then 2 coats of megs NTX wax..
used to bring the old girl up a treat..
[Edited on 24-04-2009 by Richardhhha]
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Daveskater
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Jill said the Z word too many times, good job you weren't looking into a mirror 
This is a pic of the beading I got after I waxed my car:
It always looks so much better after a good polish and a layer of wax, I've been using T-cut Metallic and Megs Tech Wax but will be ordering Dodo Juice from Rich when I get paid.
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Ben G
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as said, you're wasting your time if you wax then polish  or if you polish and don't wax the car.
the wax seals the polish in and also gives the car a brilliant shine/gloss look and makes it far easier to clean next time around.
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DizzyRebel
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Its also worth noting that polishing by hand is pissing into the wind.
Polish doesnt work unless you use a machine to apply it. Wax goes on better by hand but waxing alone wont cover up a bad paint surface.
Best wax for a car used everyday is collinite 426, you only need to do it once every 6 months then. Stuff like zymol, swissol etc is good and gives a better sheen but not really worth putting on something thats going to be abused on a daily basis
For someone whos not anal about detailing, just buy a cheap rotary machine polisher, some paint restoring polish (such as sonus) and then some cheap glaze (poorboys) and some long lasting wax (collinite 426)
Will make the car look 10 times better and if used correctly will only need doing once every 6 months
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Rich H
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quote:
Originally posted by DizzyRebel
Its also worth noting that polishing by hand is pissing into the wind.
Polish doesnt work unless you use a machine to apply it. Wax goes on better by hand but waxing alone wont cover up a bad paint surface.
Best wax for a car used everyday is collinite 426, you only need to do it once every 6 months then. Stuff like zymol, swissol etc is good and gives a better sheen but not really worth putting on something thats going to be abused on a daily basis
For someone whos not anal about detailing, just buy a cheap rotary machine polisher, some paint restoring polish (such as sonus) and then some cheap glaze (poorboys) and some long lasting wax (collinite 426)
Will make the car look 10 times better and if used correctly will only need doing once every 6 months
Not necessarily true. Polish can be applied effectively by hand, just requires a lot more effort and time. Compounds on the other hand do bugger all by hand in general as the abrasives contained in them are designed to be broken down by machine. The wax you're referring to is Collinite 476s btw 
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Jill
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quote:
Originally posted by Daveskater
Jill said the Z word too many times, good job you weren't looking into a mirror
This is a pic of the beading I got after I waxed my car:
LOL yeah sorry! Zymol zymol zymol!   hehe
Wow great beading! I am jealous I didn't get a pic of mine after the second wax, it looked just as fab as yours! 
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Originally posted by Ben G
as said, you're wasting your time if you wax then polish or if you polish and don't wax the car.
the wax seals the polish in and also gives the car a brilliant shine/gloss look and makes it far easier to clean next time around.
I totally agree with the big tangerine man here
JILL
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Jill
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quote:
Originally posted by DizzyRebel
Stuff like zymol, swissol etc is good and gives a better sheen but not really worth putting on something thats going to be abused on a daily basis
I disagree with you here. Zymol do a fabulous wax called "titanium" specifically designed for cars used everyday. It's fiddly cos it's hand applied but once you get the hang of it it's pretty much idiot proof, and gives great results. I ran out of mine and have my carbon wax and concourse zymol wax to use up, but would definitely get it again- I use my frs daily too btw.
JILL
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chr15barn3s
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Swissvax Devine ftw. Cleaning is so easy now, I can even dry it using water
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Cheese Man Chris
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Thanks for the comments guys, i understand now whats going off. Time to get busy...
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DaveyLC
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Polish is an abrasive.
Wax leaves a protective coating.
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DizzyRebel
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quote:
Originally posted by Rich H
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Originally posted by DizzyRebel
Its also worth noting that polishing by hand is pissing into the wind.
Polish doesnt work unless you use a machine to apply it. Wax goes on better by hand but waxing alone wont cover up a bad paint surface.
Best wax for a car used everyday is collinite 426, you only need to do it once every 6 months then. Stuff like zymol, swissol etc is good and gives a better sheen but not really worth putting on something thats going to be abused on a daily basis
For someone whos not anal about detailing, just buy a cheap rotary machine polisher, some paint restoring polish (such as sonus) and then some cheap glaze (poorboys) and some long lasting wax (collinite 426)
Will make the car look 10 times better and if used correctly will only need doing once every 6 months
Not necessarily true. Polish can be applied effectively by hand, just requires a lot more effort and time. Compounds on the other hand do bugger all by hand in general as the abrasives contained in them are designed to be broken down by machine. The wax you're referring to is Collinite 476s btw
Thats the stuff lol, they have so many diff numbers its hard to remember them but for day to day use i do think its the best stuff by far purely because of how cheap it is and how stupidly long the finish lasts!
Stuff like SRP works by hand but thats only cos of the fillers in it, you can get a macine to do the same amount of work in 10 seconds as your arm will in 10 minutes so its just common sense to use a machine for polish, and as you say essential to use it for compounds.
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DizzyRebel
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quote:
Originally posted by Jill
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Originally posted by DizzyRebel
Stuff like zymol, swissol etc is good and gives a better sheen but not really worth putting on something thats going to be abused on a daily basis
I disagree with you here. Zymol do a fabulous wax called "titanium" specifically designed for cars used everyday. It's fiddly cos it's hand applied but once you get the hang of it it's pretty much idiot proof, and gives great results. I ran out of mine and have my carbon wax and concourse zymol wax to use up, but would definitely get it again- I use my frs daily too btw.
JILL
I know its designed for everyday use but its not as long lasting as collinite 476 which is about 50 quid cheaper and does a better job of day to day protection.
Dont get me wrong, zymol is good and gives a better finish than most - but it just costs so much more than other brands and to be honest i cant really tell the difference of one to another. At the end of the day the wax only enhances the paint surface, so the quality of the sheen is determined by the surface preparation, no expensive wax will cover this up.
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Jill
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quote:
Originally posted by DizzyRebel
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Originally posted by Jill
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Originally posted by DizzyRebel
Stuff like zymol, swissol etc is good and gives a better sheen but not really worth putting on something thats going to be abused on a daily basis
I disagree with you here. Zymol do a fabulous wax called "titanium" specifically designed for cars used everyday. It's fiddly cos it's hand applied but once you get the hang of it it's pretty much idiot proof, and gives great results. I ran out of mine and have my carbon wax and concourse zymol wax to use up, but would definitely get it again- I use my frs daily too btw.
JILL
I know its designed for everyday use but its not as long lasting as collinite 476 which is about 50 quid cheaper and does a better job of day to day protection.
Dont get me wrong, zymol is good and gives a better finish than most - but it just costs so much more than other brands and to be honest i cant really tell the difference of one to another. At the end of the day the wax only enhances the paint surface, so the quality of the sheen is determined by the surface preparation, no expensive wax will cover this up.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one dizzy!  I've used collinite 476 on my bf's car as someone he works with gave it to him and it wasn't as good imo as the titanium zymol. I take it you have used both products to be able to compare also.
I was lucky enough to secure a sponsorship deal with zymol when I had my corsa so I've had nearly 6years experience with their products. I wouldn't use anything else tbh, but everyone is entitled to their opinion
JILL
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DizzyRebel
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I dont think you understand what im saying, im agreeing with you that zymol waxes are about the best out there! But for the costs involved, unless your really serious about detailing you dont need to go for something as expensive as zymol to acheive your desired results. Im not arguing that the zymol gives a superior finish but to joe public he cant tell the difference between concourse or meguiars gold class.
ie on a £1500 corsa thats not going to be washed properly, thats going to be raped in the winter by salt and road grime etc a £70 wax is a bit of overkill.
But on a £150,000 porsche for example thats washed properly and rarely sees bad weather its worth spending a lot of money on a good wax like concourse.
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Jill
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I was actually disagreeing with you point you made above when you said it was not as long lasting as collinite.
JILL
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