Daimo B
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7978186.stm
Sorry, but I understand motorsport quite well but can't quite see what the actual issue is here???
Trulli went off, Lewis took 3rd.
The team was unsure, so got Lewis to drop behined Trulli...
Trulli then gets a penalty
Trulli put back to 12th
Lewis gets 3rd
New evidence comes up (not disclosed)
Lewis gets stripped of all results
Trulli goes to 3rd?
Am I missing something? Or as someones commented, is this another pathetics off course F1 row shadowing what was a good race.
I shall stay in bed from now on. No point watching a GP it seems. The result of the day never seems to be the result by next weekend anyway.
Almost more fun watching the "weekly politics racing" over the real racing *Insert more sarcasm here*
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mwg
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FFS. Is this going to be another season of them having it in for Mclaren and Hamilton!
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nazi F1 conspiracies FTW.
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richard_cooper
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May have changed the cars but its still the same old stupid people who run F1
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Bram
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Farsical 
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Iain M
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Very disaspointing and another bad move by the FIA
[Edited on 02-04-2009 by Iain M]
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lil_g
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Mosely - Out
Eccelstone - Out
F1 - Great again!
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P1CK4D
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Wouldn't worry. He still gets paid shit loads what ever position he finishes in. Id be happy coming last with the wages he earns.
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Daimo B
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quote:
Originally posted by lil_g
Mosely - Out
Eccelstone - Out
F1 - Great again!
 TOTALLY agree. They are ruining modern F1 motorsport. Pre-historic figures that need to be booted for the good fo the sport.
Pick, far enoguh, but I don't any racing driver does it for the money. They arn't footballers......
They do it for the love of the sport and the competition.
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Originally posted by VXR
They arn't footballers......
They do it for the love of the sport and the competition.
 generalising
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from wot i understand trulli overtook under seafity car, was in 3rd then!
after race mclaren and hamelton went to stuards and trulli got penalty!
on further investigation into cars information shows that hamelton brakes so had giving trulli no option but to overtake him!
hammelton did not explain this to stuards so he has been disqualified for giving misleading information! whoops
classic case of hammeltons big mouth i think and throwing away points! 3rd place could have been very important points for him this year!
i am liking this years f1:-)
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
Pick, far enough, but I don't think any racing driver does it for the money. They arn't footballers......
They do it for the love of the sport and the competition.
What about all these England football teams who import players from god knows where and the small minority of UK players. Although they start off doing it for the love of the sport, thats how you get into something, by loving and enjoying and keep doing it. Its only the money that goes to their head which changes their characters in most cases.
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http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9111.html
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http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9113.html
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Adam_B
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quote:
Originally posted by FlamingCorsa
from wot i understand trulli overtook under seafity car, was in 3rd then!
after race mclaren and hamelton went to stuards and trulli got penalty!
on further investigation into cars information shows that hamelton brakes so had giving trulli no option but to overtake him!
hammelton did not explain this to stuards so he has been disqualified for giving misleading information! whoops
classic case of hammeltons big mouth i think and throwing away points! 3rd place could have been very important points for him this year!
i am liking this years f1:-)
That makes sense, BUT how the hell can you brake too hard for the saftey car? Surely Trulli should know the saftey car is out and back off as well. And even if Hamilton litterally does proper anchor on and give trulli no choice but to go past, why didnt he just drop back again?
[Edited on 02-04-2009 by Adam_B]
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lil_g
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So Hamilton passed him legally, thought he'd passed him under yellows so let him back through.
Then when he realises his mistake, appeals against it in order to regain his place?
TBH I'd do the same.
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mclarens fault they didnt need to let trulli past but they did. then they complain about their own mistake and the stewards believe them. it now turns out hamilton practicaly stopped so trulli had to go back pass and didnt comit an overtaking offence after all. so trulli goes backwhere he should be and moaning mclaren get nothing good!
the sport needs a shack up but still the people who run it are arseholes, i mean wtf did vettel get a penalty?
i say get the top gear team to run the f1 races that would be interesting!
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Why couldnt they just move him back down to 4th stupid FIA
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McLaren has decided not to appeal Lewis Hamilton's exclusion from the Australian Grand Prix.
Hamilton was disqualified from the race result on Thursday after the FIA stewards deemed the Briton and his McLaren team had "acted in a manner prejudicial to the conduct of the event by providing evidence deliberately misleading to the Stewards" following the Melbourne race, where Hamilton was elevated to third following a penalty to Toyota's Jarno Trulli.
Following the discovery of new evidence, believed to be radio transmissions, the stewards summoned both Trulli and Hamilton again today and decided to withdrawn the Italian's penalty while throwing the Briton out of the race.
McLaren said in a statement on Thursday that the team thought the FIA had already reviewed the radio transmissions after the race, and believed "it was necessary to discuss them with the stewards on that date."
The team said it will not appeal Hamilton's exclusion.
"The FIA Stewards have reviewed their decision of Sunday 29th March 2009, and have excluded Vodafone McLaren Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton from the results of the 2009 Australian Grand Prix," said McLaren in a statement.
"Vodafone McLaren Mercedes understands that the Stewards made their decision on the basis of reviewing radio transmissions between the driver and the Team.
"The Team mistakenly believed that the radio transmissions had been reviewed by the FIA on Sunday 29th March 2009, and consequently did not believe it was necessary to discuss them with the Stewards on that date.
"Nonetheless, the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes Team now regrets that it did not do so, accepts the Stewards' decision and will not appeal."
If find this part astonishing:- The team thought the FIA had already reviewed the radio transmissions after the race, and believed "it was necessary to discuss them with the stewards on that date
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Trullis comments on the incident:-
Q. What is your reaction to the decision of the stewards to give you third place?
Jarno TrulliJarno Trulli: Well, I am happy. I am happy because I just wanted some justice, and I am happy I got it. I am happy for myself, for the team - and I have to thank the FIA because it does not happen very often that they reconsider something. It must have been really hard for them, but they had common sense to really try and understand what was going on. I have been always honest and it has paid off.
Q. So what happened between Australia and now?
JT: Nothing. We did not appeal. We did not do anything, and I did not make any further comments. I think the FIA was clever enough to understand the situation. They had a very busy end of the race, with so many accidents, and they now had a bit more evidence to understand the case. So they wanted to hear us again, and it just confirmed what happened in Australia as I didn't change my statement. That is it. I don't know what made them change their mind.
Q. Are you surprised that Lewis Hamilton has been excluded from the results?
JT: I don't know the evidence or what they investigated on. I cannot comment on it. I am just happy I got my position and what I did on the track. Honestly, it was a controversial end of the race and it was hard for anyone to understand. But again I would like to thank the FIA because they had the strength to reconsider the case, giving new evidence and understanding what was going on. I never lied, I was always honest in my statements and I never changed it.
Q. It was a crazy weekend in Australia.
JT: It was a troubled weekend. We pushed really hard to get the best possible result on track. We were all pleased, and we are still pleased with what we achieved last Sunday. Unfortunately we were left facing a controversial end to the race.
Q. There's a Youtube video of the incident when you went off. Can you talk us through what happened?
JT: It was my mistake when I went off. I was trying to slow down because this year we have a rule that you need to stick with a certain speed which is on the display. And on that particular part of the track I was caught out by a shadow.
We have the safety car line which gives you the exact time you have to do, so I was trying to respect that. I was trying to concentrate on that. I missed the braking point by a little bit with the cold tyres and I went a little bit wide. Obviously Lewis got me. Nothing wrong in that, because I obviously lost a position.
The problem came afterwards when, between turn 4 and turn 5, Lewis suddenly slowed down quite a lot. At this stage I didn't know why but my thought was that he was having trouble because he pulled over to the right side of the track, while he should have been on the left.
And he was slowing down more and more, so I overtook him at 80km/h. So we were basically stopped. And before overtaking him I went next to him to make sure that I was not breaking the rules. So what happened is that I went in front of him and I opened the radio to tell the team what was going on because I didn't want to get a penalty. And that's it. That's all I can say.
Q. The radio conversation is on Youtube now, and the team told you to stay behind him...
JT: I knew because I already had this problem before. I knew that I couldn't get the position, that's pretty clear. But if the car in front of you has a problem, like it looked from me... I didn't know what happened before, I just read what Lewis said to the press. At that stage it looked like he had mechanical troubles.
Q. Did the team tell you to give him his position back?
JT: At that moment, no. I called the team asked what was going on and the team said "Okay, stay there". Because the team has to go back to Charlie (Whiting) to see what is going on. I knew that I should have given the position back, but the rules say that if the car in front of you cannot keep a certain speed to follow the safety car or is in trouble, you can overtake that car.
I didn't know what was his problem. If he wanted he could have overtaken me. I let him by. When I overtook him I moved to the left side and he didn't overtake me.
Q. So you think he was taking some precautions?
JT: I think from what I read on the press, because I cannot say much more than that, was not sure about it and he was told to stay back. That's the only thing I can tell you because I read it. But at that stage I didn't know.
I think the stewards didn't have all the evidence, because they got a bit more evidence now. We gave them our radio communications. They have the McLaren communication. They have the data from the car.
The funny thing is that I was called to go to the stewards just after the press conference, so I didn't know anything about what McLaren and Lewis had said after the race. And my statement matched exactly that statement from McLaren. So that's very clear. I told the truth straight away and it corresponds exactly to what the data log of the car says.
Q. Are you disappointed that perhaps Lewis has not explained the situation clearly?
JT: Yeah, but this is more up to him and not down to me. I knew that I told the truth and all the evidence show that I didn't break the rules. This is very clear. I said the same things twice. I proved it with every kind of evidence and, on top of that, there was evident from the other team, so that just confirms my statement.
Q. Are you surprised the FIA has taken so long to solve the issue?
JT: It's difficult to judge because there was a lot going on for the FIA. I cannot judge what was the problem. For sure they didn't have enough evidence then. It's good that they reconsidered it. It means they really understand that there was something that they missed then. Just after the race things were probably a bit too chaotic for them. That's all I can think.
Q. Are the drivers clear about what you can do behind the safety car if a car goes off the track in front of you?
JT: It has happened to me already. I was warming up the tyres in this heavy rain in Japan and I spun. And I didn't get the position back, I stayed where I was. So for me, it's very clear. It's expressively written in the rules. It says that if the car in front cannot keep a reasonable pace to stay close to the safety car, and slows down too much, then the car behind can overtake.
The thing is not that I want to overtake. I saw Lewis slowing down and pulling apart, that was the other thing. He pulled apart, and I thought he was having a problem. So I went next to him and I was trying to make sure it was right. But obviously when you are there you don't start talking to the other driver. I didn't want to overtake him, but he didn't get the position back.
Source - Autosport
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Good.
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mwg
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Ferrari will be behind this decision 
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by FruitBooTeR
Why couldnt they just move him back down to 4th stupid FIA
Exactly. There was a bit of a balls up, but to disqualify someone for that offence, be it Lewis, Massa, Vettel, anyone, is rediculas.
Trulli should ahve got 3rd, Lewis should have got 4th, simple.
But yet again, F1 turns the on track action and blows that out of the limelight, only to have the off track courtroom cr4p happening already.
How many appeals, moans, fines, pentalties have been given already......?
How many races have we had again??????????
Here we go again in 09. More courtroom and FIA crap, less about the actual racing.
Don't hear this kinda crap in bike racing. Sure theres always a little debate, but nothing ever like you hear of F1.
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Originally posted by crazybrightmanmoaning mclaren get nothing good!
Are you not English?
How can anyone who resides in the UK, calls themselves a Brit, NOT support a British team, run by a British guy, with a British world champion, defies me? Great faith in your sporting countrymen.
Muslim by any chance?
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This is fucking stupid. As you say, might as well watch a re-run a week later so you get the actual result rather than the order of who crosses the line.
Does the fact that trulli was incapable of driving the car slowly enough under the safety car not.
Fact is that Hamilton can't do anything right. If he'd have passed trulli and kept the place it would be said to have been breaking the rules, if he gives the place back hes breaking the rules. Waste of time even watching tbh.
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