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Jodi_the_g

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20th Nov 08 at 16:19

Taken from the BBC website some interesting views.

Just taken the first one.

1. SHOULD WE KILL HEALTHY PEOPLE FOR THEIR ORGANS?

Suppose Bill is a healthy man without family or loved ones. Would it be ok painlessly to kill him if his organs would save five people, one of whom needs a heart, another a kidney, and so on? If not, why not?

Consider another case: you and six others are kidnapped, and the kidnapper somehow persuades you that if you shoot dead one of the other hostages, he will set the remaining five free, whereas if you do not, he will shoot all six. (Either way, he'll release you.)

Brett

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20th Nov 08 at 16:23

Tbh, my brain is thinkin 'GAF'

AdZ9

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20th Nov 08 at 16:24

It would be ok to kill Bill, if he agreed to it. If not then its his right to live.

Hostage case, fuck that if i'm saved anyway i'd let them sort it between themselves

Ojc

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20th Nov 08 at 16:31

No of course it isn't, what a fucking ridiculous question.

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20th Nov 08 at 16:32

sam-smith

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20th Nov 08 at 16:35

kill yourself?

Ellis

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20th Nov 08 at 16:37

Yes, a couple of scenario's I often think about

Skylined

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20th Nov 08 at 16:38

i'm still baffled as to where the other 2 questions are tbh

alan-g-w

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20th Nov 08 at 16:38

1st one is just plain murder and it happens in the World anyway. Just for the record, answer's no. IF he agreed, then yes but he would most probably need to kill himself, without help after going on the organ donor's register.

2nd one, obviously yes because you're saving 5 lives.

No-brainers IMO

Jodi_the_g

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20th Nov 08 at 16:41

As I said I took the first one only.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7739493.stm

there are the rest.

alan-g-w

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20th Nov 08 at 16:45

The only reason you don't Kill Bill (

) is because you're not being forced into doing something.

[Edited on 20-11-2008 by alan-g-w]

alan-g-w

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20th Nov 08 at 16:48

That's a load of bullshit on that site. The bit where it says about Bill being around since the Big Bang, someone's obviously just toked a massive dooby, gone in and started typing random nonsense.

I quite like all these 'what if ' scenarios but that's a load of pish on there.

Leighton

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20th Nov 08 at 16:55

1st one no its not ok
2nd one if the guy is going to give you a gun just shoot him and get the others out

N3CRO

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20th Nov 08 at 16:55

quote:
Originally posted by Ellis
Yes, a couple of scenario's I often think about

Me too, sometimes on my mind all too often

Andy Stocker

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20th Nov 08 at 17:57

Sounds more like the plot for Saw VI

Ryan

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20th Nov 08 at 18:09

thats the biggest load of shit ive ever read, what a waste of my life.

alan-g-w

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20th Nov 08 at 18:17

I'm not saying it's a complete waste, just that those aren't the greatest examples.

Eck

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20th Nov 08 at 20:24

quote:
Originally posted by alan-g-w
1st one is just plain murder and it happens in the World anyway. Just for the record, answer's no. IF he agreed, then yes but he would most probably need to kill himself, without help after going on the organ donor's register.

2nd one, obviously yes because you're saving 5 lives.

No-brainers IMO

You are aware that both of those questions... The Scenario and outcome are EXACTLY the same. So you are going to save 5 lives, regardless if it's directly in front of you, or via the vital organs. So you've contradicted yourself majorly

But in answer to the question, no. It is not up to us to decide who lives and dies.

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20th Nov 08 at 21:10

I've seen the film and Bill wasn't very nice, so yes lets Kill Bill.

I would rather lose by a mile because i built my own car, than win by an inch because someone else built it for me.

alan-g-w

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21st Nov 08 at 10:56

quote:
Originally posted by Eck

quote:
Originally posted by alan-g-w
1st one is just plain murder and it happens in the World anyway. Just for the record, answer's no. IF he agreed, then yes but he would most probably need to kill himself, without help after going on the organ donor's register.

2nd one, obviously yes because you're saving 5 lives.

No-brainers IMO

You are aware that both of those questions... The Scenario and outcome are EXACTLY the same. So you are going to save 5 lives, regardless if it's directly in front of you, or via the vital organs. So you've contradicted yourself majorly

But in answer to the question, no. It is not up to us to decide who lives and dies.

I know, but given the choices in the particular situations what would you choose?

1st one you're not being forced to do anything - I wouldn't be killing a perfectly healthy me for the sake of 5 other strangers. End of.

BUT if I was FORCED to make a decision as per 2nd one - either kill 1 or 6 people (not 5) then it's a no brainer.

I wouldn't say I'm contradicting myself, different events under different conditions warrant different reactions.

corsa - gus

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21st Nov 08 at 11:04

my brain hurts

Shell

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21st Nov 08 at 11:13

quote:
Originally posted by alan-g-w

quote:
Originally posted by Eck

quote:
Originally posted by alan-g-w
1st one is just plain murder and it happens in the World anyway. Just for the record, answer's no. IF he agreed, then yes but he would most probably need to kill himself, without help after going on the organ donor's register.

2nd one, obviously yes because you're saving 5 lives.

No-brainers IMO

You are aware that both of those questions... The Scenario and outcome are EXACTLY the same. So you are going to save 5 lives, regardless if it's directly in front of you, or via the vital organs. So you've contradicted yourself majorly

But in answer to the question, no. It is not up to us to decide who lives and dies.

I know, but given the choices in the particular situations what would you choose?

1st one you're not being forced to do anything - I wouldn't be killing a perfectly healthy me for the sake of 5 other strangers. End of.

BUT if I was FORCED to make a decision as per 2nd one - either kill 1 or 6 people (not 5) then it's a no brainer.

I wouldn't say I'm contradicting myself, different events under different conditions warrant different reactions.

It's taking the same situation and wording it differently. No one would force you in the second situation, it's still your choice. Both ways save five people.

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21st Nov 08 at 11:22

The outcome in the first is either Bill lives and five die or Bill dies and five live.

The outcome in the second is either you have to kill someone for five people to live or you don't kill someone and six people die.

Most people would say Bill should live as you can't rightly take a healthy man's life whether that is to save multiple others or not. The second situation is slightly different down to the fact it's a case of 1 dies or 6 die.

Thankfully nothing is ever as simple as either situations. Also thankfully they both sound like Hoolywood scripted questions.

alan-g-w

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21st Nov 08 at 16:36

quote:
Originally posted by Shelley
It's taking the same situation and wording it differently. No one would force you in the second situation, it's still your choice. Both ways save five people.

But if there's some mad bastard with a gun, that's a forceful situation.

J da Silva

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21st Nov 08 at 23:23

At the end of the day, if some kidnapper put that scenario to you, he'd be the stupidist criminal ever to grace gang culture. Really poor thread.

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