jr
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about what you remember etc
i remember wathcing from 1.58, and everything after like it was yesterday, despite beeing 14 years ago
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmr3pqkhSgA&feature=related
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Daniel_Corsa
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I hate watching it, anything to do with Senna and the accident 
I know its the risk and dangers of motorsport but its horrid to see him sitting in the wreckage
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Main ones for me were:
Damon crossing the line to win the title in Suzuka in 96. He was my hero when i was a young 'un so loved it when he won it
Also when he came so close to winning in Hungary in the Arrows. I had a tour round the Arrows factory when i was young a few years before that.
Many others mainly including Damon.
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Matt H
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Not so much F1 related, but I can remember Nigel Mansell nearly killing himself in the TOCA chootout. Crashed right in front of where I was standing
Got the video too  Old touring car vid rock
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ljRUmE7DA&feature=related
2.38 in. Look at the amount of blood he lost
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quote:
Originally posted by jr
about what you remember etc
i remember wathcing from 1.58, and everything after like it was yesterday, despite beeing 14 years ago
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmr3pqkhSgA&feature=related
I remember the whole weekend. It was an iteresting meet.
Incidentally, I could only manage about half a minute of that 'tribute'. The note at the beginning set me thinking that it may have been posted by the same queer in make-up screaming about brittany spears in another clip. 
When the Samuel Barber kicked off, I had to click close. Too much hero worship and sacharin for my taste, for a man who was far from heroic i'm afraid Jimbo.
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I might of only been 4, but I remember that accident, who is it running to the aid of his car? Everyone might say Michael Schumacher is the greatest F1 driver well i'd say there wrong as I say Ayrton was the greatest. But I find it irronic that that weekend claimed the life of two drivers and almost three, as on the Friday practice Rubens Barrichello had a nasty accident which left him in a coma in hospital, during Saturday qualifying Roland Ratzenberger was killed and on race day Ayrton Senna was killed. Think about it, that was the worst weekend in motor racing in modern times!
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jr
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quote:
Originally posted by SVM 286
quote:
Originally posted by jr
about what you remember etc
i remember wathcing from 1.58, and everything after like it was yesterday, despite beeing 14 years ago
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmr3pqkhSgA&feature=related
I remember the whole weekend. It was an iteresting meet.
Incidentally, I could only manage about half a minute of that 'tribute'. The note at the beginning set me thinking that it may have been posted by the same queer in make-up screaming about brittany spears in another clip.
When the Samuel Barber kicked off, I had to click close. Too much hero worship and sacharin for my taste, for a man who was far from heroic i'm afraid Jimbo.
are we going to have another argument in the pub about this area of heros again 
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SVM 286
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Yes
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jr
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i dont remember seeing this before.............
i like that alot:-
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aXii-QJn0Zw
driver actually stopping, for someone else crashed!
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now i just listened to the end bit and its really quite disturbing... Sena screaming before he dies? Or just before he crashes... Chilling to hear that..
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Rab
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Its as he wins another race.
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micra_pete
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racing drivers were very expendable not so long ago, awful really.
Have a read of Jackie Stewarts Autobiography, its a hard read in places. the amount of drivers who died was stupid.
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I don't like watching anything to do with Sennas crash. He was my car driving hero, I was very upset.
Damon funnily enough used to race bikes, same meetings as my old man. Needless to say, his family were never poor at all
But the reason Damon hill got into car racing was his mother, she thought bike racing was "far to dangerous" and pushed him into cars. Damon was actually a VERY good bike racer!!!
Hated Prost, loved Mustach man, loved Senna. Good ol days of racing
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jr
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quote:
Originally posted by Richardhhha
now i just listened to the end bit and its really quite disturbing... Sena screaming before he dies? Or just before he crashes... Chilling to hear that..
as he wins brazil gp
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Sidesport
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How did Senna actully die? I know the crash, but i mean what? Was it just the impact??
Chris
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Senna was 34 years old at the time of his death. What had likely happened was that the right front wheel had shot up after impact like a catapult and entered the cockpit area where Senna was sitting.[citation needed] It struck the right frontal area of his helmet, and the violence of the wheel’s impact pushed his head back against the headrest, causing fatal skull fractures.[citation needed] A piece of upright attached to the wheel had partially penetrated his helmet and caused a trauma to his head.[citation needed] In addition, it appeared that a jagged piece of the upright assembly had penetrated the helmet visor just above his right eye.[citation needed] Any one of the three injuries would probably have killed him.[2]
The FIA and Italian authorities still maintain that Senna was not killed instantly, but rather died in hospital, to where he had been rushed by helicopter after an emergency tracheotomy and IV administration were performed on track. There is an ongoing debate as to why Senna was not declared dead at the track. Under Italian law when a person dies at a sporting event, that death must be investigated, causing the sporting event to be cancelled. The Director of the Oporto (Portugal) Legal Medicine Institute, Professor José Eduardo Pinto da Costa, has stated the following:
From the ethical viewpoint, the procedure used for Ayrton's body was wrong. It involved dysthanasia, which means that a person has been kept alive improperly after biological death has taken place due to brain injuries so serious that the patient would never have been able to remain alive without mechanical means of support. There would have been no prospect of normal life and relationships. Whether or not Ayrton was removed from the car while his heart was beating or whether his supply of blood had halted or was still flowing, is irrelevant to the determination of when he died. The autopsy showed that the crash caused multiple fractures at the base of the cranium, crushing the forehead and rupturing the temporal artery with haemorrhage in the respiratory passages. It is possible to resuscitate a dead person immediately after the heart stops through cardio-respiratory processes. The procedure is known as putting the patient on the machine. From the medical-legal viewpoint, in Ayrton's case, there is a subtle point: resuscitation measures were implemented. From the ethical point of view this might well be condemned because the measures were not intended to be of strictly medical benefit to the patient but rather because they suited the commercial interest of the organisation. Resuscitation did in fact take place, with the tracheotomy performed, while the activity of the heart was restored with the assistance of cardio-respiratory devices. The attitude in question was certainly controversial. Any physician would know there was no possibility whatsoever of successfully restoring life in the condition in which Senna had been found.[3]
Professor Jose Pratas Vital, Director of the Egas Moniz hospital in Lisbon, a neurosurgeon and Head of the Medical Staff at the Portuguese GP, offers a different opinion:
The people who conducted the autopsy stated that, on the evidence of his injuries, Senna was dead. They could not say that. He had injuries which lead to his death, but at that point the heart may still have been functioning. Medical personnel attending an injured person, and who perceive that the heart is still beating, have only two courses of action: One is to ensure that the patient's respiratory passages remain free, which means that he can breathe. They had to carry out an emergency tracheotomy. With oxygen, and the heart beating, there is another concern, which is loss of blood. These are the steps to be followed in any case involving serious injury, whether on the street or on a racetrack. The rescue team can think of nothing else at that moment except to assist the patient, particularly by immobilising the cervical area. Then the injured person must be taken immediately to the intensive care unit of the nearest hospital.[3]
Rogério Morais Martins states that:
According to the first clinical bulletin read by Dr. Maria Teresa Fiandri at 4.30 p.m. Ayrton Senna had brain damage with haemorrhaged shock and deep coma. However, the medical staff did not note any chest or abdomen wound. The haemorrhage was due to the rupture of the temporal artery. The neurosurgeon who examined Ayrton Senna at the hospital mentioned that the circumstances did not call for surgery because the wound was generalised in the cranium. At 6.05 p.m. Dr. Fiandri read another communiqué, her voice shaking, announcing that Senna was dead. At that stage he was still connected to the equipment that maintained his heartbeat. The release by the Italian authorities of the results of Ayrton Senna's autopsy, revealing that the driver had died instantaneously during the race at Imola, ignited still more controversy. Now there were questions about the reactions of the race director and the medical authorities. Although spokespersons for the hospital had stated that Senna was still breathing on arrival in Bologna, the autopsy on Ratzenberger [who died the day before] indicated that death had been instantaneous. Under Italian law, a death within the confines of the circuit would have required the cancellation of the entire race meeting. That, in turn, could have prevented Senna's death. The relevant Italian legislation stipulates that when a death takes place during a sporting event, it should be immediately halted and the area sealed off for examination. In the case of Ratzenberger, this would have meant the cancellation of both Saturday's qualifying session and the San Marino Grand Prix on Sunday. Medical experts are unable to state whether or not Ayrton Senna died instantaneously. Nevertheless, they were well aware that his chances of survival were slight. Had he remained alive, the brain damage would have left him severely handicapped. Accidents such as this are almost always fatal, with survivors suffering irreversible brain damage. This is due to the effects on the brain of sudden deceleration, which causes structural damage to the brain tissues. Estimates of the forces involved in Ayrton's accident suggest a rate of deceleration equivalent to a 30 metre vertical drop, landing head-first. Evidence offered at the autopsy revealed that the impact of this 208 km/h crash caused multiple injuries at the base of the cranium, resulting in respiratory insufficiency. There was crushing of the brain (which was forced against the wall of the cranium causing oedema and haemorrhage, increasing intra-cranial pressure and causing brain death), together with the rupture of the temporal artery, haemorrhage in the respiratory passages and the consequent heart failure. There are two opposing theories on the issue of whether the drivers were still alive when they were put in the helicopters that carried them to hospital. Assuming both Ratzenberger and Senna had died instantaneously, the race organisers might have delayed any announcement in order to avoid being forced to cancel the meeting, thus protecting their financial interests. Had the meeting been cancelled, Sagis - the organisation which administers the Imola circuit - stood to lose an estimated US$6.5 million.[3]
The FIA dismisses that allegation as an unfounded conspiracy theory.[citation needed]
The FIA immediately investigated the Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari in Imola, and the track's signature Tamburello turn, was changed into a left-right chicane.
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nathy_87
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quote:
Originally posted by Sidesport
How did Senna actully die? I know the crash, but i mean what? Was it just the impact??
Chris
here you go: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wRSBVgqVpq0&feature=related
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Nick-S
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i can remeber quite alot of the 92,93 sessons and would never forget watching seena crash lives
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Remember it like it was yesterday Ratzenberger died on the same weekend didn't he? The footage of that is pretty awful iirc.
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Rob_Lee
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one of the worse ones ive seens is Gilles Villinueves crash where he getrs thrown into the fence
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--DAN--
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That one is shocking!!!
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Ste L
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i was watching these yesterday, before i even saw the post - de ja vu or what
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Ste L
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this makes me laugh
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHUkHbgAtM
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