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Aaron

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8th Jul 08 at 19:55

......so whats the problem?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/7496118.stm

Yes, it can't have been nice for the poor guy laying there on the floor with guns pointed at him. But if they hadn't have done what they did and he detonated a bomb, the police would be getting 1,000,000 times more complaints about not doing their job to the full.

CorsAsh

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8th Jul 08 at 19:57

Just doing their job.

Aaron

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8th Jul 08 at 19:58

quote:
Originally posted by CorsAsh
Just doing their job.

Exactumundo

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8th Jul 08 at 20:00

They would be heros if it were the other way round. UK media = disgrace. Even the BBC now, they produce utter tripe only to be rivaled by The Daily Mail or The Sun these days.

John G

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8th Jul 08 at 20:00

Should do it to more people if they think they have the identity of someone they are after instead of tip toeing round for evidence!

You dont see enquieries for an innocent driver being pulled over for routine checks.

Obviously this is abit more extreme but stil if they are looking for someone and they need to do this till they find them, im all for it.

Tommy L

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8th Jul 08 at 20:01

They may have got it wrong but imo its better to be safe than sorry

CorsAsh

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8th Jul 08 at 20:01

I'd be happy to lie down for a while if an armed policeman told me to

Russ

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8th Jul 08 at 20:04

quote:
Originally posted by CorsAsh
I'd be happy to lie down for a while if an armed policeman told me to

i'd lie down before he asked me if he was armed

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8th Jul 08 at 20:05

quote:
Originally posted by Russ

quote:
Originally posted by CorsAsh
I'd be happy to lie down for a while if an armed policeman told me to
i'd bend down before he asked me if he was armed with a black dildo

[Edited on 08-07-2008 by ed]

Russ

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8th Jul 08 at 20:06

blank quotes = agreement ?

Russ

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8th Jul 08 at 20:06

and you edited

nova_gteuk

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8th Jul 08 at 20:06

Id have a feeling that "Charles de Menezes" family wouldnt agree with you lot.

And if he had a bomb i doubt pointing a gun at him would be the answer

chris-sri

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8th Jul 08 at 20:08

quote:
Originally posted by ed
They would be heros if it were the other way round. UK media = disgrace. Even the BBC now, they produce utter tripe only to be rivaled by The Daily Mail or The Sun these days.

Unfortunately although most people would think they were heroes they would still have their firearms tickets taken from them and be put on light duties until the investigation into the matter was complete. An Officer I know returned fire after he was shot at which resulted in a fatal wound, he didn't get back to full firearms duties for about 2 years and had to go through a court case. Ridiculous.

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8th Jul 08 at 20:09

The mistake he made was running from armed Police officers ordering him to stop.

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8th Jul 08 at 20:10

quote:
Originally posted by chris-sri

quote:
Originally posted by ed
They would be heros if it were the other way round. UK media = disgrace. Even the BBC now, they produce utter tripe only to be rivaled by The Daily Mail or The Sun these days.

Unfortunately although most people would think they were heroes they would still have their firearms tickets taken from them and be put on light duties until the investigation into the matter was complete. An Officer I know returned fire after he was shot at which resulted in a fatal wound, he didn't get back to full firearms duties for about 2 years and had to go through a court case. Ridiculous.

It's not really rediculous. Fire arms in this country are highly restricted for a very good reason. Police officer or not, the use of them is very serious.

CorsAsh

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8th Jul 08 at 20:11

quote:
Originally posted by nova_gteuk
Id have a feeling that "Charles de Menezes" family wouldnt agree with you lot.

And if he had a bomb i doubt pointing a gun at him would be the answer

Course it wouldn't. You'd pump him full of bullets if he made a wrong move.

nova_gteuk

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8th Jul 08 at 20:13

quote:

It soon became clear that de Menezes did not vault and run from the police, but police did not alter their statement until the correct information was leaked to the press. They later issued an apology, saying that they had mistaken him for a suspect in the previous day's failed bombings and acknowledging that de Menezes in fact had no explosives and was unconnected with the attempted bombings.

And yes but ash it only takes a split second to push a button.

CorsAsh

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8th Jul 08 at 20:13

Out of interest nova, how would you handle the terrorist threat without using firearms like this? Ask them nicely if they're about to blow up?

CorsAsh

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8th Jul 08 at 20:14

quote:
Originally posted by nova_gteuk

quote:

It soon became clear that de Menezes did not vault and run from the police, but police did not alter their statement until the correct information was leaked to the press. They later issued an apology, saying that they had mistaken him for a suspect in the previous day's failed bombings and acknowledging that de Menezes in fact had no explosives and was unconnected with the attempted bombings.

And yes but ash it only takes a split second to push a button.

So they shouldn't bother at all?

My god you're naive. I bet you'd be the first to criticise the Police if someone blew up a family member and they'd stood by doing nothing.

chris-sri

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8th Jul 08 at 20:16

quote:
Originally posted by ed

quote:
Originally posted by chris-sri

quote:
Originally posted by ed
They would be heros if it were the other way round. UK media = disgrace. Even the BBC now, they produce utter tripe only to be rivaled by The Daily Mail or The Sun these days.

Unfortunately although most people would think they were heroes they would still have their firearms tickets taken from them and be put on light duties until the investigation into the matter was complete. An Officer I know returned fire after he was shot at which resulted in a fatal wound, he didn't get back to full firearms duties for about 2 years and had to go through a court case. Ridiculous.
It's not really rediculous. Fire arms in this country are highly restricted for a very good reason. Police officer or not, the use of them is very serious.

Fortunately you're right deaths resulting from the use of firearms in this country don't happen all that often. I just don't think we send a very good message by hanging the very people who protect us from the threat of firearms out to dry every time they have to do their job.

[Edited on 08-07-2008 by chris-sri]

nova_gteuk

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8th Jul 08 at 20:17

quote:
Originally posted by CorsAsh
Out of interest nova, how would you handle the terrorist threat without using firearms like this? Ask them nicely if they're about to blow up?

I have no idea,im glad i dont have to make thosse decisions either.

But i cant see even if he did have explosives that hed listen to someone threating to kill him,as he they would already be ready to die anway?

CorsAsh

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8th Jul 08 at 20:18

Exactly Chris. The first thing going through an ART officer's head should be preventing a massacre or suchlike, not "oh, if I challenge this person will I be subjected to a long and arduous investigation, maybe I won't bother..."

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8th Jul 08 at 20:20

quote:
Originally posted by nova_gteuk

quote:
Originally posted by CorsAsh
Out of interest nova, how would you handle the terrorist threat without using firearms like this? Ask them nicely if they're about to blow up?

I have no idea,im glad i dont have to make thosse decisions either.

But i cant see even if he did have explosives that hed listen to someone threating to kill him,as he they would already be ready to die anway?

Well until you come up with a better way, stop moaning.

Can't stand you do-gooding types.

Colin

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8th Jul 08 at 20:23

Should be allowed to shoot on sight if they look dodgy/suspicious or generally up to no good.

nova_gteuk

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8th Jul 08 at 20:24

quote:
Originally posted by CorsAsh

quote:
Originally posted by nova_gteuk

quote:
Originally posted by CorsAsh
Out of interest nova, how would you handle the terrorist threat without using firearms like this? Ask them nicely if they're about to blow up?

I have no idea,im glad i dont have to make thosse decisions either.

But i cant see even if he did have explosives that hed listen to someone threating to kill him,as he they would already be ready to die anway?
Well until you come up with a better way, stop moaning.

Can't stand you do-gooding types.

its not being do gooding.

I just cant see how the police threatining to kill someone with a gun when theyre ready to die anyway would work.

and charles wasnt running from the police,he was running to catch the train. the police mistook him for someone else.

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