Paul_J
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How do bolt in cage's bolt in?
Say I have a 10 point bolt in cage, I've seen them bolt at the feet, and bolt at the pillars and roof...
What are they bolting into?  do you have to drill holes in your chassis at those points? does the hole go all the way through, so the bolt is now poking out the bottom of the car? (What happens with the pillars? and roof?).
Finally, if I then decide to remove the cage, when i take the bolts out, what's left? holes all over the car under the trim and carpet?
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Mike
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I think most of that's spot on about bolting to the floor/chassis. On the pillars it's generally bolted to the top seatbelt mount and roof wise I couldn't tell you.
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Ian
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If it's MSA spec then it needs to bolt to mounting feet which are welded to the shell.
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jr
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never seen a bolt in cage bolt to anything else but the mounting points on the floor, which is done how ian has said
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Paul_J
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so if you are welding in plates or feet to bolt the cage to, why don't you just weld the cage in - in the first place? 
What happens if you want to remove the cage? surely left with loads of welded in pieces of stuff everywhere?
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corsaandy
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yes you are left with welded plates everywhere but this needs to be done to make it safe otherswise the bolts would just pull through the floor when you crashed and the cage would end up being useless and more likely to kill you than save your life.
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
so if you are welding in plates or feet to bolt the cage to, why don't you just weld the cage in - in the first place?
Good question...
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Originally posted by Paul_J
What happens if you want to remove the cage? surely left with loads of welded in pieces of stuff everywhere?
Cut the welded patches out again.
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Ian
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
so if you are welding in plates or feet to bolt the cage to, why don't you just weld the cage in - in the first place?
What happens if you want to remove the cage? surely left with loads of welded in pieces of stuff everywhere?
But then if you want to remove the cage, it'll be to put it in another car because you've bent yours. Therefore the old shell with the plates on the floor is getting scrapped anyway.
Means you've less work to recover parts for your next car. Which if you look at it that way means you should probably weld it in and be done with it, yes.
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Pop
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My 6 point cage has mounting plates welded into the car and the cage bolts onto that.
If I wanted the whole lot back out the plates could maybe be plasma cut out.
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
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Originally posted by Paul_J
so if you are welding in plates or feet to bolt the cage to, why don't you just weld the cage in - in the first place?
What happens if you want to remove the cage? surely left with loads of welded in pieces of stuff everywhere?
But then if you want to remove the cage, it'll be to put it in another car because you've bent yours. Therefore the old shell with the plates on the floor is getting scrapped anyway.
Means you've less work to recover parts for your next car. Which if you look at it that way means you should probably weld it in and be done with it, yes.
yeh but i'm not talking about removing it when i write off the car, I'm talking about removing it to set the car back to standard at a later date.
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Robin
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Just remove the 'feet', they'd just be bits of box section, cut them out and paint over the evidence.
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Butler
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Mate, speak to Kenich. You never would have known his rallye was the stripped out slag it once was. Il get pics of the mounting points in mine when I can be bothered.
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Paul_J
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did kenich have a cage tho butler? I don't think he did?
Robin how do you remove welded in plates?
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Robin
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You won't have plates, you'll have boxes, at least you will on the sills, maybe not on the rear arches.
Cut them out with a grinder, it's easy.
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Robin
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A bit like JR's
but with 2 bolt holes in.
All you'd need to do to remove them, is a bit of cutting, grinding and painting.
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Ian
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
yeh but i'm not talking about removing it when i write off the car, I'm talking about removing it to set the car back to standard at a later date.
Grinder.
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AK
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some bolt through the floor sandwiching it with thick steel plates underneith.
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Butler
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
did kenich have a cage tho butler? I don't think he did?
Robin how do you remove welded in plates?
Yeah he did, it was a 205 cage with plates welded in to adapt.
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Paul_J
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here's some pics of the cage I may be getting...
Omp 10 point bolt in cage...
It's half painted but a potential bargain...
back part
and front part
Should have door bars and a diagonal on the back part too.
should be similar to this when put together
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Paul_J
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oh yeh... the only problem is that it's 300 miles north in 'widnes'
How can I get it down here? suggestions?
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Butler
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Courier... Looks the same as mine.
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