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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huLhq190A_Y&feature=related

their prototype http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDDWhr84h0Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sorgApq898

What I don't understand... is that if it works, why don't they just hook the output to a capacity / storage of power... then hook that to the input... and thus once started, remove the mains supply and leave it running?



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whats not to get
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BS, that's physically impossible.
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quote:
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whats not to get


fact that in laws of physics it states that you can't CREATE free energy. So the usual process is that energy is used, to generate energy, and depending on efficency energy is lost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHpikCPKPiE

^^ I think this is how that other one was working... which kinda makes sense... the fact that the spinning section with the electromagnet is just a looping no power gained or lost process.

However, if you hook a generator onto the spinning section it would 'in his theory' then produce more energy. But in reality, I'd imagine when trying to turn a generator, the original spinning section would require a lot more energy to turn it, and generally in bearings and friction energy would be lost.
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Cannot be done something seriously wrong with either his calculations or his test rig.
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Silly Australians.
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With that pulse generator its turning on & off all the time so not using as much energy hoever it always remains turning in a generating state then rectifying the AC it produces into DC to store so yes it will make elecricity its nothing new though, kids all over the world have made similar devices in simple science.
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people have said lots of things were impossible in history and were proven wrong
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Also that overunity motor thing is running off mains through a step down transformer, which they fail to stick into their sums. A transformer running off 240v mains still uses the full 240v no matter what its reducing it to it still uses the full amount. Id like to see what happens if they ran that thing off a vairiable power pack providing DC & returning DC voltage. They should also be working out efficience using reactive power = True / Apparent not subtracting input from output.
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its basically the same as an altenator but bigger scale
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its a lot more efficient then an alternator
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An alternator doesnt draw a voltage though it runs off a very unefficient engine using belts
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i now its a lot more eficiant but in theory thats all it is but without the belt
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quote:
Originally posted by scottyp1989
i now its a lot more eficiant but in theory thats all it is but without the belt


no.
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its a well known fact that it is possible for something to emit more power than it consumes, but it all depends on eceonomics wether it is worthwhile to do so.


My dad is a qualified mechanical and electrical engineer, and has 20+ years experience in micro electronics and also studies quantum physics. He has said for yoears that its 100% possible tp build a machine that works off magnetic pulses to produce energy, people have been building them for years although nobody has really ever built a machine that can produce enough energy for it to be usefull.
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or it would probably be impractibaly big
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave A
its a well known fact that it is possible for something to emit more power than it consumes, but it all depends on eceonomics wether it is worthwhile to do so.


Like what?

Not questioning you or him BTW, just didn't know this was possible.
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thats where it gets complicated, you have to start comparing different types of energy (or effort) to get a direct comparison between input and output.
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I can handle it

Know what you mean though, you could say an engine puts out more than goes into in (in electrical power) but obviously burning energy in fuel.

As I say, didn't know it was possible.
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I saw something on a similar basis several years ago that a bloke in birmingham made in his shed.

Was on the News and it did work but was to inpractical for use.
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I can see the theory and its very very celver.

But surely it would reach equilibrium.

Although it would change the world if it did work no more power stations buildings would just have there own of these.
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More impressively though

http://www.steorn.com/
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i belive it can be done

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