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Eck
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23rd Dec 07 at 05:31   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

It was the single biggest tragedy in motorsport in my lifetime and I've saw folk slating this man,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EOQjYCwgLdE&feature=related

RIP Senna
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what you have to reemember is, theres too many sick people in the world who want people to believe that schumacher is evil. he was gutted, if anyone had died instead of senna, he still would of been gutted, they all go out there and they all know the risk they take, but at 200mph youve got to keep your mind on the driving or you'll be the next senna

[Edited on 23-12-2007 by Russ]
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people forget ratzenberger died the same weekend, just because one man is a slightly better driver, doesn't make his death more important, sadly this is all brought about by the media
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With the exceptions of Lauda burning in Germany and the pile-up on the start line at Spa in '98, that was the single most appaling weekend's motorsport i've ever had the misfortune to view.

I was still reeling from Roland's death in qualifying on the Saturday when everything else seemed to fall apart including a wheel coming off and entering either the crowd or the pit lane and causing injuries.

Witnessing Roland's death was totally abhorant and beyond horrible, not only because he was such a pleasant chap, but because cars had become so safe that driver's deaths had become a thing of the past.

Such a sudden turnaround and return to the bad old days in that respect was more shocking than I can describe. It was like an unprovoked punch in the face.

The horrors of the weekend were belittled by many people by the Brazil nut dying. I have always loathed the man. I did at the time and I still do now. I only have regrets for his passing in as much as he died without being suitably trounced on track as I would have wished.

That said, when he wasn't deliberately driving people off the track, team mates included, I did grudgingly admire his driving style and I love most of the cars he drove.
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sure as shit if i was driving the best car of the weekend i wudnt win the race,you need talent and balls to be up with the top runners,im an ok driver but just becuase im in thebest car dosnt mean id win the race,senna was and is the best ever driver that walked this planet FACT
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quote:
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people forget ratzenberger died the same weekend, just because one man is a slightly better driver, doesn't make his death more important, sadly this is all brought about by the media


Yup. He was also an incredibly talented driver, but was overshadowed by A S's death. Rip all the same.
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
people forget ratzenberger died the same weekend, just because one man is a slightly better driver, doesn't make his death more important, sadly this is all brought about by the media
rubens barrichello was almost killed that weekend also
i remeber seeing it all on tv, a very sad weekend of raceing that was
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Originally posted by carribicbaby
sure as shit if i was driving the best car of the weekend i wudnt win the race,you need talent and balls to be up with the top runners,im an ok driver but just becuase im in thebest car dosnt mean id win the race,senna was and is the best ever driver that walked this planet FACT


no not fact, your opinion
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I was there.

No - not sat in front of the TV, but actually, really, physically there.

Back in the late 80's I worked for Techniques d'Avant Garde in Woking, at the old McLaren HQ. I was one of the (many) unseen, unknown developers working on engine management and telemetry systems.

I left TAG/McLaren at the end of 1992, taking a year out to be with my young family and generally trying to come-down from six years of stress and travel.

In early 1994 I was invited to interview for a role at Simtek and subsequently invited to the San Marino GP to 'see how they do things'.

I watched the monitors and especially the telemetry when Roland died.

That night I made my mind up that I would not be re-joining the circus, no matter what it paid.

I briefly saw Ayrton on Sunday morning - he gave me a half smile - he looked incredibly 'pensive', almost distracted - which was something I had only ever seen once before.

I watched the race from the pits.

The start of the race was horrific - I honestly thought that a bomb had exploded, the force with which Lamy hit (erm) the back of the stationary Benneton was incredible, it sounded like a pretty major explosion above the sound of the cars.

Everyone expected a red flag, there where carbon shards all over the track, obviously people hurt in the stands and given the 'black weekend' at that point it really did not seem worth going racing for.

I remember a lot of animated discussion, Ron Dennis stormed into the officials 'bunker' and Flavio was doing his arm-waving routine.

I did not see the accident - at the time the mechanics I was talking to where lambasting Bernie. But there was a sudden quiet, almost an intake of breath, the crowd saw the crash on the monitors and it seems that the track director stayed with it a while - there was a slight release when his head appeared to move, but then nothing, just 100L people hardly daring to breath.

The rest of it was a blur, we all suspected that he was dead, there was not enough urgency displayed, this was it. Everyone was into robot mode by this time.

I cannot remember the rest of the race.

I flew home that night there where a number of McLaren guys that had worked with Senna on the plane, the mood was terribly sombre, nobody cared about the result, everyone feared for Williams' ability to get out of Italy in one piece.

Hell of time.

Senna was, in my opinion, one of the most complete drivers, he had a lot of very high class competition and he was not always in the best car, but certain of his drives - Donington springs to mind, where incredible.

Best ever ?

Nope - Sorry, but he was the best driver of the era I feel....

[Edited on 23-12-2007 by EmArEn]
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I remeber this well. When reading his book he partly blames himself for his death as he was chasing him for the lead when Senna crashed.

He broke down due to record of senna but at the time the ferrari fans were on his back as they thought he had lost interest. At the home race and obtaing the record it would have been very emotional

Schumacher for me was a great asset to the sport and made it interesting. i have been a life long fan and yes he has done some bad things

However he is the best driver of his era and probably the best F1 has ever seen. His skill especially in the wet togther with his mental ability to read a race and push the rules to the limit make him the best

Yes at times he had the best car but when at benneton and the early years of ferrari he was the under dog but still made an impact



[Edited on 23-12-2007 by whitter45]
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when he broke down after beating senna's record, people say it was because of senna, but a lot of people actually reckon it was because one of the officials got killed on that particular weekend he broke the record
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
when he broke down after beating senna's record, people say it was because of senna, but a lot of people actually reckon it was because one of the officials got killed on that particular weekend he broke the record

As stated I think it was a mixture if things. He certainly has a heart and safety as he was head of the drivers association promoting safety of drivers and officals
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interesting to note in that vid where he breaks down it looks almost like his borther ralph is laughing about it lol
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yes they are not that close really
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I cried when Senna died, no shame, he was a hero of mine.
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That was an awful awful w/e, Barrichello swallowed his tongue when he crashed in free practice I think it was on the Friday, then Roland Ratzenbergers accident, Lamy into the back of Verstappen/Lehto(?) on the start line then Senna... was crazy!! Then Karl Wendlinger put himself in a coma a week or 2 later at Monaco... you had huge testing crashes for JJ Lehto and Pedro Lamy as well

 
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