dale87
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My mate is going to buy one soon, the car is a T reg with 47000 miles with FFSH. It's VERY clean and runs mint but the guy reckons it's running at 180bhp. So I went to look at it for my mate and it's only running the standard intercooler and no chips just a filter and de-cat (from what I could see). I was under the impression that you can get 170-180bhp from these engines pretty easy but I would have thought the way to do it would be with a fmic and a seb2(i think) chip. Am I wrong? Is it possible to get 180bhp without these mods?
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DAZ1985
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Its possible but what mods im unsure about
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Jamie H
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Won't be 180bhp with just a intercooler you are right there. With a Seb2 chip and intercooler it will be about 180bhp yes again your are correct.
GT1 standard was 136bhp (L-M registration)
GT2 standard was 133bhp (M - to early P registration)
GT3 standard was 130bhp (P - W registration)
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dale87
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Can the standard ecu be re-mapped. i.e. for more boost. I questioned him about what mods had been done and he said he wasn't sure as it was his brother that did all the modifications. He showed me a RR printouts of before and after and it was 140bhp to start off with then after it was 181bhp.
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AK
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shut up tarts...
you can get 180bhp without chips, or a FMIC
Better fuel pump, and upped pressure..... turn up the boost,
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SetH
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what about ignition timing? and whats going to regulate the fuelling if you took that route?
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Jamie H
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quote:
Originally posted by AK
shut up tarts...
you can get 180bhp without chips, or a FMIC
Better fuel pump, and upped pressure..... turn up the boost,
You can do it the AK way, but wouldn't be as good as a remapped chip.
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Ben ev
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quote:
Originally posted by AK
shut up tarts...
you can get 180bhp without chips, or a FMIC
Better fuel pump, and upped pressure..... turn up the boost,
lol. reminds me of strapping turbo's to xe's. aslong as theres enough fuel and the injector duty cycle isnt exceeded thers no reason why not i suppose
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dale87
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Also I think the RR was over reading because its a GT3 so dosn't make 140 standard. So it is probably more like 170bhp. I drove it and it just didn't feel like 180bhp in fact my cav gsi feels alot faster and that is no more than 165
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mattk
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So your cav has less power and alot more weeight
walk away
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barter
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quote:
Originally posted by mattk
So your cav has less power and alot more weeight
walk away
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John G
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always liked them but there bascially the r5 gtt engines so not most reliable and basic french built inside
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AK
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my old 170-180bhp punto (Jamie's too) would do a 1/4mile in 14.7 at 99mph....
Not Slow.
It was running upped boost, FMIC and some home loving.
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AK
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quote:
Originally posted by John G
always liked them but there bascially the r5 gtt engines so not most reliable and basic french built inside
aye... damn french Fiats eh
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Superlite Ltd.
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Could always ask the seller what hes done to get 180bhp? lol
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Jamie H
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quote:
Originally posted by John G
always liked them but there bascially the r5 gtt engines so not most reliable and basic french built inside
You form this opinion based on what? I done 30k in mine from 60k to 90k never had 1 problem. Neither did Adam 
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Nic Barnes
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i remember seeing your punto on the way back from crail once ak
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John G
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my best mate had one as wel as a r5 gtt and i found the interior to be very clip on plastic and rattly, not sayin there all the same as im sure there are some good ones about
and if you actually read my previous post you will see i said i actually like them.
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ali_corsa
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my two best mates have punto gt's one is standard except air filter and lowered 60mm all round the other one is running at 180bhp on rr air filter, standard intercooler full exhaust samco hoses seb 2 chip but they had a race on a private track and the standard one won it was a quater mile race 3 races and the standard punto won 3 times
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Ben ev
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quote:
Originally posted by AK
my old 170-180bhp punto (Jamie's too) would do a 1/4mile in 14.7 at 99mph....
Not Slow.
It was running upped boost, FMIC and some home loving.
very good times for that spec
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Fad
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It was stripped to fuck!
As for reliability as Jamie has mentioned its a myth they are unreliable as I belive when AK got his hands on it, well it got abused pretty bad and never once broke IRRC
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Rob B
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generally they run around 160 bhp with FMIC, seb chip, upped boost, filter, full exhaust and de-cat
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JM_16v
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they are quick 
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Dave A
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for that kind of power youd be looking at a seb 4.1 set up dont believe anyone when they just give a bhp quote without proof.
generally they arent that bad reliability wise they suffer from bad electrics and prone to head gasket failure when people fit a bleed valve and up the boost.
have a look on
www.puntosports.co.uk
theyll have all the advice you need
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dale87
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Thanks for the advice guys
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