willay
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Read this in The Times this morning, thought it was quite interesting:
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/article2204067.ece
Essentially they want 17 year olds to enter a 12 month probation period where they must complete the 12 months to hold a full license. Features of this period will include
* zero tolerance alcholol limit - you cant have a touch of booze in your blood
* limitations on motorways for more experienced drivers
Good idea bad idea? the general idea is to cut the death toll aswell as make better drivers from the start, and letting new drivers experneice all road conditions (for example, if you learn and pass in spring/summer, will you be up to scratch to driver in the winter?).
[Edited on 06-08-2007 by willay]
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Ste L
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dont think it will make a differnce tbh..
still get kid's who think they can drive, driving stupid on normal roads, and country lanes etc etc
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dan_c4rsa
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i think it could backfire - and no way will it end up being implemented like that.
i reckon there'll be more fines/bans from 17 year olds breaking the rules.
more 18 year olds will die when they get their full licences from letting rip like they wanted to at 17 and so on.
i think it could help with the experience but being experienced doesnt mean you arent stupid if you get me?
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It's not about age, it's about experience, when will they realise this? 
Also, is this definite, as it's been 'happening' since I was about 8.
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willay
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Robin, you have to be in a 12 month probation so you will get your experience then? 
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Same as the 24 month probation period now then? That really works, doesn't it?
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dan_c4rsa
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quote:
Originally posted by willay
* limitations on motorways for more experienced drivers
wont this hinder experience too?
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Ste L
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motorway training should be included in lessons imo
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Mattb
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i passed my test when i was 18, and i still drove like a dick.. it wasnt untill i nearly had a very nasty accident that i thought, wow driving like a penis really isnt that cool..
so no i dont think it will work, imo the driving test should be made longer and include things like motorway driving. and i also think that a 'competentcy test' should be taken every 10 or so years, not as harsh as your first test, but to judge wether you are a danger to other road users..
my 2p
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I also passed when I was 18 and drove like a cunt actually
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willay
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
Same as the 24 month probation period now then? That really works, doesn't it?
Thats a different type of probation, you hold a full licence until you commit 6 points or more within that time
We are talking about holding a learner licence for 12 full months then being moved over to a full license i'm guessing?
PS - your 'this has been happening since I was 8' thing is probably the rumour everyone got told at school to make them think they would have to wait another year to drive
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mattb that would be a good idea, but they are targeting young drivers as apparently its those that are causing the deaths.
If the death toll does lower alot or a bit then its a good idea. Time will only tell to notice a differnce to compare to the past.
Why not just make pass plus a required test after passing, and see if this makes a difference, and then maybe a check up after so many months/years!
my idea needs amending as its just rough! I sopose the sollution they have now is best though! they still get to drive but just have limited access to the motorway
[Edited on 06-08-2007 by pdwhelan]
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I do think that learners not being able to get on the motorway is silly, but I dunno.. I've never seen a learner on the motorway
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SportBoy
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should restict what they drive like with the motorbike license
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pdwhelan
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The price would most certainly go up for learning how to drive if they started teaching on the motorway and having a test on it. Instructors would be MINTED!
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Robin
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Hence not believing it'll happen til I see it
The only thing it will do, IMO, is change the number on the death toll figures from 17, to 18.
That and meaning more people drive illegally.
I also can't see a restricted license thing working, it doesn't with motorbikes, people still cheat the system, so it wouldn't be any different with a car IMO.
Even restricting the power of a car won't do anything. Hardly anyone dies on a straight road, and a car which can 'only' do 70, can do that on a corner still.
I guess that's what a probabtionary license would result in, restrictions?
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Really do not agree. Make the driving test harder, include motorway, some IAm technique.
This is only cause more illegal driving.
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dj_russell
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sick of the country sick of the rules and this one wont make a difference either its aimed at turning over more money.
sit,think and listen more learner driving=more money going on lessons=more tax being payed to gordon=instructer paying more in fuel=instructers tax bracket going higher=more money in gordons pocket------welcome to england folks.
welcome to rip off britain anything thats enjoyable is going expensive or banned,
"BAN THE FECKIN BANNERS I SAY"
all it means is more 18 yrolds than 17 yrolds will die and if they change it to a different age theyll have more 25..etc yearolds im sorry but the driver never really ends in most males and females too, people will always want to go fast,
and anddddddd...............wait for it listen up a quater of accidents are caused by under 20 yrolds now call me stupid but whys that mean they have to aim it all at younger drivers what about the other 3 quaters then???
oh this will also just lead to more uninsured driving nice 1 gord.
[Edited on 06-08-2007 by dj_russell]
[Edited on 06-08-2007 by dj_russell]
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pdwhelan
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But lets say this DOES improve the death toll to a lower limit! what if they try everything else and it fails. It will of course encourage people to drive illegaly and cost more money for everyone involved.
I think parents with kids that have just passed will appreciate this law alot more than most of us though. for the fact they think some of us are going to die when we start driving anyway or have an accident!
There will be better ways around this.. i do think its a good idea.. but im not 17 and just passed so i couldnt care less for anyone younger than me passing.
[Edited on 06-08-2007 by pdwhelan]
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SetH
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stop you young chav lads driving hot hatches for a start.
stop going on daddies insurance.
you should be stuck in a 12 volt till your 21
then a 1.6 till your 25
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quote:
Originally posted by pdwhelan
But lets say this DOES improve the death toll to a lower limit! what if they try everything else and it fails. It will of course encouage people to drive illegaly and cost more money for everynne involved.
I think parents with kids that have just passed will appreciate this law alot more than most of us though. for the fact they think some of us are going to die when we start driving anyway or have an accident!
There will be better ways around this.. i do think its a good idea.. but im not 17 and just passed so i couldnt care less for anyone else passing.
spot on m8y, my parents still ring me up now when im out all night to check im ok and im 20, theyve never liked the fact of me driving round more so now bein as my cousin nearly killed him and his 2 m8s in a high speed head on.
i normally can stay out on a weekend from 1 in the afternoon till 4 the next morning so my folks have always been scared worrieing if theyll get that knock at the door from the police so i can see that aswell that parents would more than likely be happy with that,
but i myself try to think bk me bein 17 havin a car ive just spent over 5k on like my old astra i had as my 1st car i loved fast and the furious i was chuffing at the idea as soon as i passed my test id be driving a fully done up car that my m8s was dead jelous of, i go bk to when i was 14-15 reading max power i always wanted that just think what most of our next generation of car modders are all thinking now,
the ones that are so passionate say they are nearly 17 and it gets changed id be deverstated.
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pdwhelan
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Seth is right hehe.. i wish i had got a 1.2 from the start instead of a 1.4! just for money reasons.
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quote:
Originally posted by SetH
stop you young chav lads driving hot hatches for a start.
stop going on daddies insurance.
you should be stuck in a 12 volt till your 21
then a 1.6 till your 25
fk tht i turn 21 next year and im buying an integra type r or an impreza next may.
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SetH
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impreza at 21? what a uk turbo lol
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by SetH
you should be stuck in a 12 volt till your 21
Why?
They can still crash on corners going too fast, due to inexperience.
I don't think that's the answer, I understand that limiting it in some way, theoretically would help, as a 17 year old with no experience wouldn't be able to handle a 200bhp car, but you can do a lot of damage with a 45bhp car still, so is it really the answer?
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