corsasport.co.uk
 

Corsa Sport » Message Board » General Chat » Lifted from SBD. (sorry its sooo long) :thumbs:


New Topic

New Poll
  <<  1    2  >> Subscribe | Add to Favourites

You are not logged in and may not post or reply to messages. Please log in or create a new account or mail us about fixing an existing one - register@corsasport.co.uk

There are also many more features available when you are logged in such as private messages, buddy list, location services, post search and more.


Author Lifted from SBD. (sorry its sooo long) :thumbs:
Steve X16XE
Member

Registered: 31st Dec 06
Location: Barnsley, South Yorkshire
User status: Offline
20th Feb 07 at 00:49   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Five Mistakes before you make them
1.Watch for salvage motors.
If you buy a motor from an accident-damaged car then ensure that the belt covers and pulleys are intact. If not it'll need a new crank pulley, or at worst, it could have bent the crankshaft.
2.Oil burning can be costly.
Check for oil burning, as this can be a problem, caused not by worn pistons rings but by glazed bores. Plateau honing is the only cure.
3.Guide problems can cause the valves to stick.
Some early engines suffered sticking valve guides, due to carbon deposits on the valve stems. Can be cured with a stronger valve spring and cap, or pistons contact will bend all 16 valves.
4.The cam tensioner is made from chocolate.
The standard cam tensioner pulley is plastic and can be breakdown in time, throwing the cambelt. You must replace with an uprated alloy version to be safe.
5.Pistons and rods are weak at high outputs.
If you're building an engine with race pistons, you must replace the con-rods, otherwise they'll break. Rods and pistons can be a weak point.


OIL SYSTEM
Uprated oil pump gear and relief valve
Price: £164.44 (the pair)
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
Stock inner oil pump gears are sintered steel and can shatter at high revs and loadings. Combine that with a steel relief valve that can jam and it's a no-brainer to bin both items for uprated versions. SB Developments supplies a steel inner pump gear and a nylon oil relief valve, which cures any potential nasty episodes.


CAM TENSIONER
Uprated cam belt idlers
Price: £70.45
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
THE vital starting point, even on a standard motor, as it gives total peace of mind at high revs on older engines. Why take the risk of throwing a cambelt and wreaking the engine when a fix is so cheap?

FIXED CAMBELT TENSIONER
Price: £58.47
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
The standard automatic cambelt tensioner can be overwhelmed when the motor is revved hard. Happily, SBD supplies a fixed item, but then the cambelt tension is adjusted via the water pump.

ENGINE MANAGEMENT (ECU's)
MBE967 ECU
Price: £901.22 (including wiring loom)
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
SB Developments recommends the MBE 967 ECU as it's easy to remap and they have lots of base programs to work from. Customers are supplied with software to allow them to remap the engine themselves for optimise performance. The price includes £431.22 for a bespoke wiring harness (it's expensive because it uses built in relays).

DTA E48 EXP
Price: contact DTA
Where: www.dtafast.co.uk
DTA's popular ECU's are also a good bet with the 1400 and 1600 XE engine. Affordable and with a good user interface, they shouldn't be overlooked.


UPRATED VALVE GEAR
Uprated valve springs, caps and platforms
Price: £186.40 per set
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
As the standard valve gear is overwhelmed at higher valve lifts, it must be beefed up to accommodate more performance orientated camshafts. Uprated valve springs, caps and platforms are a well-proven, reliable cure.


CYLINDER HEAD
Best cylinder head
Price: Haggle
Where: Breaker's yard
Vauxhall has tweaked the cylinder head design several times over the past 13 years. The early C16XE head (casting number: 90472726) is a cracker as it uses much larger ports, whereas the later X14XE and X16XE use smaller and different shaped ports that peg the power back. The very latest head casting (number: 90400187) uses triangular inlet ports, which work a lot better, gaining up to 12bp.

Gas-flowed cylinder head
Price; £1527.50
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
The standard cylinder head is very efficient and will flow up to 180bhp on 1600 and 150bhp on a 1400 before headwork is required. Beyond the point SB Developments can supply a flowed item with heavily modified exhaust ports (they weld them up then re-machine them to alter the shape), new valves and guides to gain up to 20bhp.


CARBS & THROTTLE BODIES
45mm Parallel throttle bodies
Price: £1111.55
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
A better route if you can afford it, as they offer real driveability and performance gains over carburettors. These parallel 45mm versions include the fuel rail and inlet manifold, so all you need then is the ECU and wiring loom.

45mm Taper throttle bodies
Price: £932.84
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
The Taper throttle bodies provide both a 10 bhp performance bonus and a packaging advantage over the parallels, so they're perfect for use on Corsas where space is restricted due to bulkhead and servo clearance problems. The price of £932.84 includes the fuel rail and inlet manifold. Expect a smooth, torquey 164bhp.

INDUCTION
Dblas plenum chamber or Mantzel Powerbox
Price: £717.38
Where: Regal Autosport/Courtenay Sport
Both the 1400 and 1600cc XE motors are deliberately restricted by one of the most torturous inlet manifolds ever designed, so this is THE starting point for any power upgrades. Happily, less restrictive versions are available from specialist Vauxhall tuners, adding a reliable 15-20bhp. Nice.

High performance inlet manifold for carbs and throttle bodies
Price: £134.00
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
Does what it says on the tin. Allows fitment of either old-school carburettors or more driveable throttle bodies, which are the key to unlocking the latent power stored within this remarkable little lump.


PISTONS
Omega forged alloy pistons
Price: £454.96 per set (1600), £470.00 per set (1400)
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
The standard piston will tolerate being pocketed to take higher valve lifts but at higher power outputs (up to 220bhp on the 1600) switching to forged pistons is a good idea for peace of mid. Omega's forged alloy items were developed in conjunction with SB Developments and include rings pins and circlips.

CON-RODS
Forged steel H-section con-rods
Price: £752.00 per set (1600), £789.60 per set (1400)
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
These go hand in hand with the forged pistons and the combination makes for an unbreakable setup. How tough? Well, try over 240bhp at 10,000rpm on SB Developments' top sprint motor…..

EXHAUST MANIFOLD
FWD exhaust manifold
Price: £416.59
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
This is a high-specification 2.5-inch diameter tubular exhaust manifold that requires a decent high-flow system to extract the best from it. Designed for Corsa/Nova applications, don't overlook it if you want to optimise your performance.


WET SUMP
Gated wet sump
Price: £446.50
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
Front-wheel drive users subjecting the car to high G loading are recommended to fit a steel wet sump, which runs gates and baffles to eliminate surge issues. In addition SBD recommends fitting a re-circulating catch tank with a drain that returns any breathed oil back into the sump - a drawing is supplied by SBD, as it's a straightforward fabrication job.



Dry sump system
Price: £846.00
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
For serious users it's recommended to fit a dry sump system in front-wheel drive applications. The basic systems cost £846.00 and it's also advisable if the engine is being fitted longitudinally into Caterham or Westfield application.


CAMSHAFTS
284/278 degree hi-lift cams
Price: £440.62
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
These cams are ground from blanks and are good all-rounders, which can be used with either carbs or throttle bodies. With over 11mm of valve lift, the standard pistons will require pocketing (£150.40 per set) to avoid any potential contact, while the valve gear will require uprating to suit.


CRANKSHAFT
Billet stell crankshaft
Price: £1974.00
Where: www.sbdev.co.uk
Thankfully the stock crank is bomb-proof, coping with 220bhp on a 1600. As a good, cast steel unit it'll cope with 9000rpm for rallying and 9500rpm for sprints and hill climbs and is so well balanced it's often left untouched. The ultimate is a billet steel crank with smaller counterweights, that'll tolerate stratospheric rev (10,000 rpm plus) with no problems, but you'll need deep pockets!

ESSENTIAL KIT
Rear-wheel drive bellhousing
Price: £187.13
Allows for longitudinal fitments of the motor in Caterham/Westfield-style cars, mated to the popular Ford Sierra Type Nine five-speed gearbox.

Rear-wheel drive special clutch plate
Price: £121.02
Rear-wheel drive applications can utilise the original flywheel and clutch cover, but a revised drive plate is vital to mate up to the Type Nine Gearbox.

Smaller, lightweight alternator
Price: £223.94
Saves over two kilos compared to the stock generator and is smaller and easier to package as well.

Lightweight slotted steel flywheel
Price: £178.98
The standard flywheel weighs in at eight kilos, whereas this slotted lightweight flywheel for rear-wheel drive applications weighs just 3.8 kilos, including the ring gear, which will greatly improve throttle response.

Nova GTE
Price: From £250
Ideal recipient for a small block XE upgrade! Check out eBay or Autotrader for a suitable donor car. 1400 XE-engined Novas are currently pace-setting in a number of rally championships.



COMPLETE PACKAGES
www.sbdev.co.uk
1.4-LITRE XE
TP150 1st upgrade
Price: £2779.12 (kit)
Produces a solid 150bhp and 101lb/ft of torque, revving to 8000rpm, using taper throttle bodies with uprated cams and valve gear.

www.sbdev.co.uk
1.6-litre XE
Taper throttle basic kit
Price: £1914.06 (kit)
Using the early Corsa GSi cylinder hear motor, this bolt -on package produces an astonishing 164bhp and 124lb/ft of torque with a great, smooth power curve.

www.sbdev.co.uk
1.6-litre XE
Top of the range package
Price: £12,765.37 (kit)
How does 241bhp and 148lb/ft grab you? The specification of this motor is long, including an MBE970 ECU, dry sump, steel crank and eight injectors,revving to 10,000rpm.


Lots more things at this link. Prices are up!

Ian
Site Administrator

Avatar

Registered: 28th Aug 99
Location: Liverpool
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 03:15   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Interesting read but it does get expensive!
loo_goblin
Member

Registered: 14th Jul 04
Location: Horsham, West Sussex
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 04:38   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Interesting read but it does get expensive!
broster
Premium Member

Avatar

Registered: 6th Dec 02
Location: Drives: E39
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 07:51   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

thats why you dont get stuff from sbd, find cheaper alternatives! its well worth hunting round for stuff, granted sbd is the one stop shop for everything but other places sell jenvey kits, cams, pistons rods etc!
DBenson
Member

Registered: 4th Feb 05
Location: High Wycombe. Drives 20XE red gsi
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 08:27   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Steve X16XE
1.6-litre XE
Top of the range package
Price: £12,765.37 (kit)
How does 241bhp and 148lb/ft grab you? The specification of this motor is long, including an MBE970 ECU, dry sump, steel crank and eight injectors,revving to 10,000rpm.



You could buy a whole car that has at least 241bhp for that price
Cupra Steve
Banned

Registered: 7th Nov 06
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 08:31   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by DBenson
quote:
Originally posted by Steve X16XE
1.6-litre XE
Top of the range package
Price: £12,765.37 (kit)
How does 241bhp and 148lb/ft grab you? The specification of this motor is long, including an MBE970 ECU, dry sump, steel crank and eight injectors,revving to 10,000rpm.



You could buy a whole car that has at least 241bhp for that price


tis a bit expensive!!! especially when you think it'll need a rebuild every few thousand miles!
Daimo B
Member

Registered: 20th Mar 00
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 09:09   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Ask Andy Hamilton, sure its something like every 3000 miles or something.

SBD failed to mention this to him (or something along those lines).

Anyone know where/how that car is coming along, or did he strip and sell it eventually?
Cybermonkey
Member

Registered: 22nd Sep 02
Location: Sydney, Australia
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 09:13   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by VXR
Ask Andy Hamilton, sure its something like every 3000 miles or something.

SBD failed to mention this to him (or something along those lines).

Anyone know where/how that car is coming along, or did he strip and sell it eventually?


Andy H only needed a rebuild because of the shite valve springs. I believe after fitting decent ones, the engine is good for 10-15k
mwg
Member

Registered: 19th Feb 04
Location: South Lakes
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 09:17   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

How much would you be talking to do a rebuild on that 241bhp motor?
Daimo B
Member

Registered: 20th Mar 00
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 09:18   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Valve springs were supplied by SBD as far as I recall, hence why he was so angry about it. Small things supplied by SBD were the in-correct ones for his spec, and SBD were unwilling to fork out. (although this is just talk so could be BS).

Andy also runs mid 210's, so a lot smaller spec, no dry sump, only 4 injectors etc...

Thats why he went to Swindon Racing last I heard? Proper tuning company

[Edited on 21-02-2007 by VXR]
Cybermonkey
Member

Registered: 22nd Sep 02
Location: Sydney, Australia
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 09:20   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by VXR
Valve springs were supplied by SBD as far as I recall, hence why he was so angry about it. Small things supplied by SBD were the in-correct ones for his spec, and SBD were unwilling to fork out. (although this is just talk so could be BS).

Andy also runs mid 210's, so a lot smaller spec, no dry sump, only 4 injectors etc...

Thats why he went to Swindon Racing last I heard? Proper tuning company

[Edited on 21-02-2007 by VXR]


Andy's has a dry sump he got the new valve springs fitted IIRC to prolong the life of the engine
Daimo B
Member

Registered: 20th Mar 00
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 09:48   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Your confusing me.
Andys engine went bang due to SBD supplying the wrong parts for the spec of his engine.
Last I knew, he was rebuilding it again but with Swindon Racing parts as SBD screwed him about.

His SBD spec wasn't dry sumped, unless he's gone to a a dry sump now? It wasn't a dry sump setup at this stage, still a wet sump.


mwg
Member

Registered: 19th Feb 04
Location: South Lakes
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 09:57   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Matty G
How much would you be talking to do a rebuild on that 241bhp motor?
Cybermonkey
Member

Registered: 22nd Sep 02
Location: Sydney, Australia
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 10:07   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by VXR
Your confusing me.
Andys engine went bang due to SBD supplying the wrong parts for the spec of his engine.
Last I knew, he was rebuilding it again but with Swindon Racing parts as SBD screwed him about.

His SBD spec wasn't dry sumped, unless he's gone to a a dry sump now? It wasn't a dry sump setup at this stage, still a wet sump.





i can see a bloody dry sump on the far left with large braided hoses going direct into the head and the engine
Stu_22
Member

Registered: 25th Mar 02
Location: Luton
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 10:15   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Thats the breather catch tank system from protech
jr
Member

Registered: 20th May 02
Location: Kent
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 11:28   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

most of it was done ny pro-tec stu
jr
Member

Registered: 20th May 02
Location: Kent
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 11:28   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

and yes cm, as stu said thats the breather, not a dry sump system
dhdev
Member

Registered: 22nd Dec 05
Location: Midlands
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 11:42   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Whilst on the breather topic, Pro-tech charge an absolute fortune for that set-up, which I believe is just a breather tank with a sump return (is that right?) If so can I take the medium sized cam-cover breather pipe to a catch tank then fit a drain pipe that tee's into the large diameter breather pipe (Crankcase-to-cam cover)
Cheers

[Edited on 21-02-2007 by dhdev]
ed
Member

Registered: 10th Sep 03
Location: Northampton Drives: Fiat 500/Porsche Boxster
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 12:02   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by DBenson
quote:
Originally posted by Steve X16XE
1.6-litre XE
Top of the range package
Price: £12,765.37 (kit)
How does 241bhp and 148lb/ft grab you? The specification of this motor is long, including an MBE970 ECU, dry sump, steel crank and eight injectors,revving to 10,000rpm.



You could buy a whole car that has at least 241bhp for that price
It's not for making a road car go fast. It's to make a race spec engine. In racing you have different classes and you have to adhere to the rules.
Daimo B
Member

Registered: 20th Mar 00
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 14:08   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey

i can see a bloody dry sump on the far left with large braided hoses going direct into the head and the engine


Awaits apology form spunkymonkey..........
broster
Premium Member

Avatar

Registered: 6th Dec 02
Location: Drives: E39
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 16:28   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Steve X16XE
1.6-litre XE
Top of the range package
How does 241bhp and 148lb/ft grab you? The specification of this motor is long, including a Gotech MFI pro x, dry sump, steel crank and 4 injectors,revving to 11,000rpm.


i cant wait......
BeArDy
Member

Registered: 7th Aug 00
Location: Manchester
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 16:52   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

What happened to Andy and his car?
Anyone still keep in contact with him?
jr
Member

Registered: 20th May 02
Location: Kent
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 17:27   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

ive got his home email at home, i'll send him one later

spoke with him months and month ago, and it was due back from swindon after having the engine done
broster
Premium Member

Avatar

Registered: 6th Dec 02
Location: Drives: E39
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 18:53   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

last i spoke ot him it was due back within the week from swindon, he did offer it forsale to me lol!
BeArDy
Member

Registered: 7th Aug 00
Location: Manchester
User status: Offline
21st Feb 07 at 19:11   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Its always for sale
has been since it went pop

  <<  1    2  >>
New Topic

New Poll

Corsa Sport » Message Board » General Chat » Lifted from SBD. (sorry its sooo long) :thumbs: 22 database queries in 0.0138941 seconds