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Mike GSi
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12th Jan 07 at 11:12   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
ive got a gsi with a c16xe in it. the only differance i can see is that mine has an air mass sensor! ive heard that the c16xe (pre-ecotec) engines are quiker. is this true and why?
Dean_W
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C16 - 109BHP

X16 - 106BHP

Not much difference in engine. C16XE has a better head design and no emissions junk. The X16 uses a MAF sensor as opposed to an air flow sensor.

[Edited on 12-01-2007 by Dean_W]
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C16 has higher compression of 11.0:1 rather than 10.5:1, makes peak torque and power 500rpm lower than the X16. slight differences between the head, no EGR for the C16XE, most probably the reason for slightly better performance. but on the road it is not noticable. a younger and fitter X16XE would have the edge...
Mike GSi
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12th Jan 07 at 11:25   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
oh rite,fair enough! so if i needed a new engine an x16xe would still b fine? thanx lads
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12th Jan 07 at 11:26   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
yes
Daimo B
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Inlet ports are different.

Monkey, there are a LOT of differences on the road. C16 pulls much harder mid range all the way up. It really is the better engine no matter what some say.

Also can gain up to 10bhp over the X16 unit according to SBD...

A guy we knew had a SPOTLESS standard M reg GSi, he drove Donnas with 60k+ on it and noted how jealous he was as it just pulled so much harder than his.

His was serviced every few thousand as well, he was head mechanic at a Vx dealer as well.

Only issue is the C16's are getting old, piston rings are giving up and can cause serious issues. Even after rebuilds, they still seem to have problems.

Best bet, cash permitting, go buy a brand new one from Vauxhall like Rob Lee did.
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12th Jan 07 at 11:46   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
or get a rebuilt c16xe head and put it on a low milage x16xe block.

best of both worlds
Mike GSi
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well the mug i brought it off was sellin it cheap, coz of high mileage(129k) but he couldnt had looked through the reciepts properly. there one that comes to nearly 4k from a vauxhall dealer. it says investigate broken cambelt and replace engine. and theres a certificate from "vauxhall engine exchange"so it had a new engine at 98k. has any one heard of the vauxhall engine exchange?
Dean_W
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You give them an engine + cash and they give you a new one. I think.
Mike GSi
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12th Jan 07 at 13:05   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
o rite.so i paid £1100 for this as standard. what do u think?

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q18/mikegsi/Photo-0013.jpg
Mike GSi
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12th Jan 07 at 13:05   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
(with 31k)
Cybermonkey
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
Inlet ports are different.

Monkey, there are a LOT of differences on the road. C16 pulls much harder mid range all the way up. It really is the better engine no matter what some say.


yes better engine, and it might feel different in the way that it delivers the power, but in real world driving it is no quicker. jeez it only makes 2lb/ft more peak torque. thats negligible
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quote:
Originally posted by mikegsic16xe
(with 31k)


well its not 31k is it as the shell, suspension components, fuel system, ancilliaries, gearbox etc... has done the 124k probably
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quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey

yes better engine, and it might feel different in the way that it delivers the power, but in real world driving it is no quicker. jeez it only makes 2lb/ft more peak torque. thats negligible


Ahh but you should know whats taken on a RR should never been looked into too much. Its how its delivered. It may only make a peak of 2lb ft more, but overall, in any gear, at any RPM the C16 will pull harder.
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12th Jan 07 at 13:20   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
yeah u no wot i meant dave! but still a bargain tho. i thought. ps i didnt mean to start an arguement!!!!! lol!
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12th Jan 07 at 13:21   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
ive owned both the x16xe gsi and the c16xe gsi

they were the same on the road in standard form. nothing at all in it

the 2lb/ft wont make any difference whatsoever at any rev range.
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey

yes better engine, and it might feel different in the way that it delivers the power, but in real world driving it is no quicker. jeez it only makes 2lb/ft more peak torque. thats negligible


Ahh but you should know whats taken on a RR should never been looked into too much. Its how its delivered. It may only make a peak of 2lb ft more, but overall, in any gear, at any RPM the C16 will pull harder.


what 2lb/ft more thats like comparing the horsepower between 2 ants scrabbling for the same crumb
Mike GSi
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talkin of fuel line dave? wen i take my petrol cap off shit loads of presure comes out for about 3 seconds. and it runs like shit if i dont release the pressure. is my breather blocked do u think?
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR

Ahh but you should know whats taken on a RR should never been looked into too much.


im not talking about a RR, im talking about the figures that Vauxhall decide the engine will have in standard form

 
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