Dom H
Member
Registered: 14th Jun 06
User status: Offline
|
Do these exist?
I'm 17 currently working part time in retail and doing an ND Graphic Design course at college. Working in retail is killing me and college is extremely tedious. I already have experience in lot of similar things (video editing etc), but CAD/Web Design is definately what I'd like to get in to.
[Edited on 08-01-2007 by Dom H]
|
ed
Member
Registered: 10th Sep 03
User status: Offline
|
I doubt it. CAD has nothing to do with web design really.
|
deano87
Member
Registered: 21st Oct 06
Location: Bedfordshire Drives: Ford Fiesta
User status: Offline
|
It won't be an apprenticeship as much, more training starting from the bottom. But you won't have that "BA (Hons)" to go next to your name doing it that way, only experience when looking to change companies.
|
Dom H
Member
Registered: 14th Jun 06
User status: Offline
|
Yeah ed, maybe I'm using the word CAD wrongly, I'm talking about Photoshop/Illustrator work to accompany the web design really.
Deano, where would I start looking for something like that? I'm already fluent in HTML (as if it's hard..) and know a little more than the basics of CSS.
|
dave17
Member
Registered: 3rd Sep 02
Location: Greater London
User status: Offline
|
In my experience, you need a BA (hons) in Graphic Design for anyone to take you seriously, doesnt matter about your talent.
|
Jules S
Premium Member
Registered: 24th Dec 03
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Dom H
Yeah ed, maybe I'm using the word CAD wrongly, I'm talking about Photoshop/Illustrator work to accompany the web design really.
Deano, where would I start looking for something like that? I'm already fluent in HTML (as if it's hard..) and know a little more than the basics of CSS.
Nothing like CAD whatsoever then  
3D PDF is in the making though
|
Dom H
Member
Registered: 14th Jun 06
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Jules S
Nothing like CAD whatsoever then
That's the college getting the better of me. Our CAD lessons consist of cutting out fish using the pen tool and making a fish tank montage. 
|
deano87
Member
Registered: 21st Oct 06
Location: Bedfordshire Drives: Ford Fiesta
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Dom H
Deano, where would I start looking for something like that? I'm already fluent in HTML (as if it's hard..) and know a little more than the basics of CSS.
If you mean about training from the bottom, just apply to any company with vacancies, trying employment agencies are your best bet.
If you mean the BA (Hons), that is a Bachelor of Arts degree with Honors, will take you 3 years at University and cost you nearly £20k in tuition fees & loans sometimes I wonder why I bother.
Like dave17 said, you need a degree for anyone to take you seriously, despite degrees being worth less and less now.
|
liamC
Member
Registered: 28th Feb 04
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by dave17
In my experience, you need a BA (hons) in Graphic Design for anyone to take you seriously, doesnt matter about your talent.
So a company who are looking for a Graphic Designer are likely to turn someone with an exceptional portfolio of experience and with knowledge in x amount of applications down, to go for someone with a BA in Graphic Design with no experience. I very much doubt it.
Experience experience experience is what you need mr Dom, just to build your portfolio up as much as you can. Take on paid/unpaid/sexual favours to get as much experience on your CV as possible.
|
Jules S
Premium Member
Registered: 24th Dec 03
User status: Offline
|
I think using the term CAD is the problem here....
I use CAD In my Job (architecture)...its nigh on useless if the user knows fcuk all about how to put a building together 
Its the same in Engineering and mechanics, you NEED some understanding about what you are drawing.
In a creative field its totally different, you just need a good imagination and visualisation.
You cant get a BA in imagination BTW
|
dave17
Member
Registered: 3rd Sep 02
Location: Greater London
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by liamC
quote:
Originally posted by dave17
In my experience, you need a BA (hons) in Graphic Design for anyone to take you seriously, doesnt matter about your talent.
So a company who are looking for a Graphic Designer are likely to turn someone with an exceptional portfolio of experience and with knowledge in x amount of applications down, to go for someone with a BA in Graphic Design with no experience. I very much doubt it.
Experience experience experience is what you need mr Dom, just to build your portfolio up as much as you can. Take on paid/unpaid/sexual favours to get as much experience on your CV as possible.
Alot of adverts will say, BA HONS essential, and will not even look at your CV if you dont have it. If they dont look at your cv, they wont know about your portfolio, and you wont get an interview to show that you could quite easily excel at the position.
Trust me, i know.
|
ed
Member
Registered: 10th Sep 03
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Dom H
quote:
Originally posted by Jules S
Nothing like CAD whatsoever then
That's the college getting the better of me. Our CAD lessons consist of cutting out fish using the pen tool and making a fish tank montage.
My CAD classes involve me making 500 part Lego models and carrying beam stress analysis e.t.c... Er Yours sounds more fun
|
drax
Member
Registered: 5th Feb 05
Location: Sittingbourne, Kent
User status: Offline
|
Just apply, i got my job at 19 straight out of college from Btec national diploma for multimedia
|
drax
Member
Registered: 5th Feb 05
Location: Sittingbourne, Kent
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by dave17
quote:
Originally posted by liamC
quote:
Originally posted by dave17
In my experience, you need a BA (hons) in Graphic Design for anyone to take you seriously, doesnt matter about your talent.
So a company who are looking for a Graphic Designer are likely to turn someone with an exceptional portfolio of experience and with knowledge in x amount of applications down, to go for someone with a BA in Graphic Design with no experience. I very much doubt it.
Experience experience experience is what you need mr Dom, just to build your portfolio up as much as you can. Take on paid/unpaid/sexual favours to get as much experience on your CV as possible.
Alot of adverts will say, BA HONS essential, and will not even look at your CV if you dont have it. If they dont look at your cv, they wont know about your portfolio, and you wont get an interview to show that you could quite easily excel at the position.
Trust me, i know.
Dave are you a graphic designer / website developer and designer?
|
Jules S
Premium Member
Registered: 24th Dec 03
User status: Offline
|
Dave17,
Not wishing to disagree but you are wrong there...
I interview peeps all the time, I skip the CV bollocks and look at the portfolio first.....If the portfolio looks good I ask for proof of it from the employer. The last thing I look for is a 'creditable' CV...if they are good enough on 'paper' then I give them an in office test.
Agency salespeeps are a waste of space in real life
|
dave17
Member
Registered: 3rd Sep 02
Location: Greater London
User status: Offline
|
Drax - More a graphic designer, which includes web design. I can also develop websites, but dont have a great knowledge of it.
Jules - The thing is, graphic design is so saturated, that employers get 100's of applications sent through. The HR person there, who probably knows fuck all about design will just go for people qualified in that area, and ask them to attend an interview.
I have no doubts i would be in a good position to get most of the jobs i apply for, if i could just get my foot in the door to present my portfolio and convince them i dont need a certificate to be able to do the job.
Its a hard industry to get into.
|
liamC
Member
Registered: 28th Feb 04
User status: Offline
|
Have you got an online portfolio mate?
|
drax
Member
Registered: 5th Feb 05
Location: Sittingbourne, Kent
User status: Offline
|
Where as im more in this business a website designer, which includes graphic design, have used all the tools for a long time, but they required coding and graphics work...
at the moment im doing more graphics work, but we are being given more training on industry level logo design, stationary packs, etc more graphic design areas, as well as building our skills at the same time..
Id say its hit or miss you just have to apply to where you can, and shape your portfolio to what you are aiming for in the job..
I didnt turn up to the interview with a album of all my photography work, i brought in websites, and hard code which I hand code..
more importantly, in web design, dream weaver is not an option, so get that out of your head, alot of employers if you are going for web design want you to be able to code out of your head, faster than dream weaver will allow you to monkey about with..
they want to make sure that if you were using dream weaver, and something fucked up in the code.. that you could fix it 
|
Jules S
Premium Member
Registered: 24th Dec 03
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by dave17
Jules - The thing is, graphic design is so saturated, that employers get 100's of applications sent through. The HR person there, who probably knows fuck all about design will just go for people qualified in that area, and ask them to attend an interview.
Which is why I totally ignore the HR dept when i recruit staff
|
drax
Member
Registered: 5th Feb 05
Location: Sittingbourne, Kent
User status: Offline
|
Take that into a web design based company and id say they'd be stupid not to give you the job  Tho saying that it doesnt display properly in firefox
[Edited on 09-01-2007 by drax]
|
Dom H
Member
Registered: 14th Jun 06
User status: Offline
|
Yeah mate, well I despise using dreamweaver anyway. Much prefer coding by hand. It's a lot faster, easier, and neater that way.
I created http://skatebasingstoke.com for a few mates a couple of years ago. The design that's up there at the moment uses fully validated HTML and CSS and that was all coded by hand whilst I was still in school last year. I haven't anything else online at the moment though, and have been far too busy with silly projects at college now to progress with anything like this. 
I just want to find something like an apprenticeship so that I can improve my web development skills, rather than just playing with websites for mates as a hobby and something I enjoy. I have no spare time at the moment to think about hobbies and side projects because of a full time course and working 8-6 Saturday and Sunday.
quote:
Originally posted by drax
Take that into a web design based company and id say they'd be stupid not to give you the job Tho saying that it doesnt display properly in firefox
Tell me about that bug mate, tis a firefox bug though buddy. Refresh it, 7/10 times it will display correctly. I've posted that up on the Mozilla website and loads of users have confirmed it's a browser bug but it's yet to be fixed.
I've also posted on many CSS/webdesign forums and they've all examined the code and pulled it to pieces with me, and can all also confirm it's a firefox thing as there's nothing wrong with the code at all!
[Edited on 09-01-2007 by Dom H]
|
drax
Member
Registered: 5th Feb 05
Location: Sittingbourne, Kent
User status: Offline
|
Its a width issue to do with the left float or div, assuming thats what they are, ive not looked at the code, i think that could be corrected easily
Ive seen it happen before a few times, we fix it now and then, just look into different ways of displaying things rather than the code you already have
[Edited on 09-01-2007 by drax]
|
Dom H
Member
Registered: 14th Jun 06
User status: Offline
|
You're more than welcome to have a quick flick through the code, I can guarantee you wont find what's wrong though buddy. As you said, shall just have to recode it to use another means of displaying it all.
|
drax
Member
Registered: 5th Feb 05
Location: Sittingbourne, Kent
User status: Offline
|
Will do when ive got a chance, lots to do this week Good luck in getting a job, if you can try to do as much free lance now as you can for a portfolio for when u leave your course
|
Colin
Member
Registered: 4th Apr 02
User status: Offline
|
Difficult area to get a job in, my sis done an HNC, HND then an advanced Diploma in graphic design & couldnt get a job at all, partly because of the packages your taught on in these courses being too dated & not in depth enough!!
|
