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Was watching enemy at the gates the other night, and the amount of soviet troops being killed got me wondering how heavy their losses actually where, wasnt expecting a figure like this! stalin really looked after his people huh
Soviet Union: 25,000,000
China: 20,000,000
Poland: 6,000,000 (Including 3,000,000 Jews)
Germany: 4,000,000 soldiers + 2,000,000 civilian casualties
Japanese: 1,200,000 soldiers + 1,000,000 civilian deaths
Yugoslavia: 1,700,000
Greece: 500,000
Italy: 330,000
United States: 292,000
Great Britain: 264,000 soldiers + 60,000 civilian deaths (German bombing raids)
France: 200,000 soldiers + 400,000 civilians
Hungary: 147,000
Romania: 73,000
Canada: 37,000
Australia: 23,000
India: 24,000
Bulgaria: 19,000
Netherlands: 10,000 soldiers + 190,000 civilian deaths
New Zealand: 10,000
South Africa: 6,000
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SteveW
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bloody South Africans 
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andy1868
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that's wierd, i was just thinking about that this morning watching that nuremburg programme i taped on monday. shocking figures i say.
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25 million
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Robin
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25 MILLION Soviets
and people bang on about the 3 million Jews being a massive amount
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Nismo
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ya win some.... ya lose some.
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Liam
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quote:
Originally posted by Nismo
ya win some.... ya lose some.
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TNM
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the spanish were asleep then
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probably having their siestas
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SXi_Tim
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Thats one hell of a lot of fucking lives
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quote:
Originally posted by SteveW
bloody South Africans
Enemy at the gates is an excellent film 
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andy1868
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the spanish weren't involved, despite being "fascist."
i think people bang on about 6 million Jews is because they weren't fighting, they were killed for being jewish.
have we got any figures on the civilian/military deaths of the Soviet figure? that would be interesting to see just how many civilians were killed. did i hear somewhere that millions of russians were killed in the liberation of Berlin alone?, hence why the western allies let them have it
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alot of soviets were killed by soviets for being "cowards" if scared in battle.
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i know Andy, but most of the 'soldiers' didnt have the choice 
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dave17
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what is the total? cant be arsed to work it out
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56125262 according to google
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SXi_Tim
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6648500
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Robin
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62,885,000 from those figures.
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though that doesn't tally with SetH's figures. 
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it'd would be impossible to get the exact amount, but the figures are quite different.
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Robin
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but SetH's figures arent accurate, they're pretty vague
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www.hitler.org/ww2-deaths.html
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SXi_Tim
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the 6648500 was all those at the top added up, either way its quite a few
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Originally posted by Robin
but SetH's figures arent accurate, they're pretty vague
I know but it's still a good few M out.
I think the Soviet Union only suffered 20m deaths. Not 25. This would account for most of the difference
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WW2 Timeline :
November 11, 1918 World War I Ends.
October 30, 1922 Benito Mussolini ('Il Duce' - The Leader) becomes the Prime Minister of Italy.
August 19, 1934 Adolph Hitler ('Der Fuhrer' - The Leader) comes to power and gives himself ultimate authority over the military forces of the country.
October 3, 1935 Italy invades the African country of Ethiopia.
March 7, 1936 German military forces reoccupy the Rhineland, a territory lost during the First World War.
September 24 - 30, 1938 A conference in Munich is held which ultimately determines the fate of Czechoslovakia (now under German control). This is known as the policy of appeasement, a policy that provided the advancing German dictator what he asked for, so as long to avoid another war in Europe.
November 9 - 10 Known as the Kristallnacht (or 'Crystal Night'). These days covered the beginning of the time when open attacks on Jews and Jewish-run businesses were encouraged by the government. Ultimately, Jews of every walk of life will be put into German-controlled concentration camps all over Europe.
March 16, 1939 German military forces now move in and occupy the rest of the country of Czechoslovakia - the price of appeasement.
May 22, 1939 Germany and Italy sign the 'Pact of Steel' - a treaty between both countries dictating that neither side would attack the other, or get in the way of it's policies in Europe or Africa.
August 23, 1939 Germany and the Soviet Union sign the laughable 'Nonaggression Pact'. In the deal, Germany and the Soviet Union split apart the country of Poland. Both sides think they walk away as winners but this pact is not to last long. Germany agrees not to invade the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union agrees not to stand int he way of the German forces advancing throughout Europe.
September 1, 1939 Germany now invades Poland and begins the official assault on Europe. Polish forces fight bravely, even on horseback, but they are no match for the battlefield's newest weapon - the tank. This event marks the official spark that ignites World War 2. France and Great Britain officially declare war on Germany.
April 9, 1940 Germany attacks Norway and Denmark through land, sea and airborne assaults. The citizens put up fierce guerilla resistance.
May 10, 1940 Germany now turns Eastward and invades the countries of Belgium, Holland, Luxemburg and France. Adolph Hitler uses the battlefield strategy of 'Blitzkrieg' (or 'lightning war') in overwhelm defending forces through air and land power. This involves skill full use of the German Airforce ('luftwaffe') and German Panzer (or 'tank' units).
June 22, 1940 France signs an armistice (or 'cease fire') with Germany. Germany advances throughout northern France, taking the capital of Paris with no fighting. The armies of Paris thought it better to leave the city intact than to wage war in the streets. The armies retreat to northern France. British and French military members make a dashing retreat (over 800 military and civilian boats took part!) through the port of Dunkirk as the German Panzer armies close in. Milions of lives are lost, so many men actually, that generations of Britains and French will grow up without fathers.
September 7, 1940 'Blitz bombing' campaigns terrorize the citizens of London and Britian in general. Germany begins the air assault on the island in an effort to conquer it through Operation Sea Lion, the ultimate invasion of Britain. Britain responds soley against the attacking German Luftwaffe with the famed Hawker Hurricanes and Supermarine Spitfires. They prove to be quite a match for the BF-109 and FW-190 fighters. Ultimately, Britain escapes invasion through persistance and patriotic ferver, led by Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
September 27, 1940 Germany, Japan and Italy sign the Axis Pact. Now all three are free to invade and attack without involvement of those involved in the pact.
February 12, 1941 German General Erwin Rommel is in North Africa commanding the famed Afrika Corps. Most of Northern Africa is under German control.
March 11, 1941 American President Franklin Roosevelt signs the Lend-Lease Act. In an effort to help out his ally in Britain (Churchill), Roosevelt convinces the Congress and a isolationist America that they send out old American Battleships to Britian for a price.
April 6, 1941 Germany invades Yugoslavia and Greece.
June 22, 1941 Germany begins the invasion of the Soviet Union through Operation Barbarossa. Hitler believes that the country can be taken in just one year. This opens up the West Front.
August 9 -12, 1941 Churchill and Roosevelt issue the Atlantic Charter, allowing merchant ships to arm themselves for protection, and providing military escorts for convoys.
December 7, 1941 Japan conducts a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. The United States officially enters the war. The Japanese continue to claim territories in attacks on Malaysia, the Phillipines, Guam, Hong Kong, Indonesia, and Wake Island. Japanese-American citizens living on the west coast of the United States are interned in internment camps as a precaution against internal Japanese insurrection. This move goes down as a dark spot for US policy in the Second World War.
May 6, 1942 American forces surrender in the Phillipines. General Douglas Macarthur declares 'I shall return' and then makes a dramatic escape.
May 4 - 8, 1942 The Battle of Coral Sea takes place. It is the first battle in history to feature aircraft carriers. Though the carriers never made sight of one another, the battle was still made possible by the sea-going giants. It is rules a draw as both sides, America and Japan take damage.
June 4 - 6, 1942 The Battle of Midway Island ensues. Though of no resource importance, the island is a strategic position that will allow the Japanese air force a forward base of operations to attack Hawaii and the rest of America. American forces, through might and bravery, repell the attacks. The F-4 Cosair becomes a star in the skies of the Pacific.
September 12 - 14, 1942 The Battle of Bloody Ridge at Guadalcanal takes place.
November 1 - 4, 1942 In North Africa, the Battle of El Alamein takes place pitting the British led by General Bernard Montgomery against German General Erwin Rommel ('The Desert Fox').
November 8, 1942 Operation Torch landings take place in North Africa. This signifies the American involvement into the war in the West. It also introduces another soon to be well known general - General George S. Patton.
January 2, 1943 Buna, New Guinea is captured by Allied Forces.
January 14 - 24, 1943 The Casablanca Conference takes place. The Allies, more specifically Roosevelt, calls for the unconditional surrender of the Axis powers. This surprises Churchill and enrages the fighting forces of the German armies.
February 2, 1943 The German Sixth Army surrenders at Stalingrad. After weeks of being surrounded by all sides, and the order from Hitler himself that they remain in the fight, the German Sixth eventually fall apart. Mass suicides and AWOLs are reported. Many of the prisoners of war are never to be seen again. They are either executed or sent to their death in Siberian Concentration Camps know as Gulags. This is in response to the harsh treatment of Soviet civilians and POW's at the the hands of the Germans.
March 1943 The Battle in the Atlantic between submarine crews and battleship crews reaches its climax. German submarines, known as U-boats because of the distinctive shapes of their hulls see more and ore losses at the hands of the allies. This is due to the code breakers in Britian and the ever-increasingly effective captains as they deal with the sneaky submarines. Though they were once the kings of the Atlantic, sinking merchant ships at will, the German U-boats days of dominance will soon be at an end.
May 13, 1943 Axis Forces surrender in Tunisia. This brings to a close the end of the war in Northern Africa.
July 9, 1943 The Allies begin the invasion of Europe by landings on Sicily, the island off the coast of the boot of Italy.
September 8, 1943 After allied advances in Italy, the unconditional surrender of Italy takes place.
November 20, 1943 The Battle for Tarawa in the Pacific begins.
June 4, 1944 The Allied forces enter Rome.
June 6, 1944 Operation Overlord takes place. It is the D-Day invasion of northern France. Allied Forces number 150,000 take part by land, sea and air. Canadian, British and American forces set up a beachhead through five points of the landing - Juno Beach, Omaha beach, Sword Beach, Gold Beach and Utah Beach. The brunt of the defence was headed at Omaha Beach. After a day of fighting, the British and Canadian forces advanced the furthest. The American troops at Utah Beach land in the wrong place but face less resistance as a result. The landing forces eventually meet up with the American Airborne forces of the 101st and 82nd, while the British Red Devils meet up with their own to the West. German Panzer Divisions reacted and slowed down any further advance. The battles come to a slow crawl in the bocage paths that ensue. Related: The Air War Over Germany and Supplying the Normandy Beachheads.
June 14, 1944 The B-29 Superfortress begins bombing attacks on Japan. The B-29 Superfortress was the top of the line heavy bombing during World War 2, and would eventually replace the B-17 Flying Fortress. The B-29 had radio-controlled turret guns with up to 4 .50 caliber machine guns per turret! It contained sophisticated bombing sights and could fly higher and farther than the B-17, all this without any type of escort planes (Japanese fighters or flak guns could not reach the B-29's). The B-29 Superfortress would eventually be the bomber that drops the ferocious Atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
June 22, 1944 The Soviets begin their own offensives against the Germans on the West Front in Operation Bagration.
July 20, 1944 Adolph Hitler survives an assassination attempt orchestrated by his own generals. General Erwin Rommel is among them and is forced to commit suicide (cyanide capsule). Hitler still provides a state funeral for his best tank commander. The assassination attempt was an exploding suitcase planted under a meeting table by one of his commanders. Hitler sustains minor injuries but survives. His self-paranoia increases and he retreats to the safety of his underground bunker. He uses the failed attempt to convince himself of his destiny and his invincibility.
August 15, 1944 Operation Dragoon begins, the invasion of Southern France.
September 17-18, 1944 Operation Market Garden is launched. This bolt undertaking concocked by British General Bernard Law Montgomery ultimately ends in a draw, with 1,000's of allied troops killed, wounded or captured. Ground is gained by the allied, but key bridges (the objective of the mission) still lay in enemy hands.
October 23 - 25, 1944 The Battle of Leyte Gulf in the Phillipines is underway.
December 16, 1944 The Battle of the Bulge is fought. the German army begins a massive counteroffensive that drives a huge bulge into the allied lines. Areas such as Bastogne become the battleground for fierce town and forest fighting. General McAullife received a German letter of surrender to which he replies 'Nuts!'. Soldiers dig in and wait for days at a time for activity. Ultimately, the Allies push the bulge back to the original lines. Both sides suffer high casualties.
January 9, 1945 American forces in the Pacific land on Luzon, the main island of the Phillipines. General Douglas Macarther claims 'I have Returned'.
February 3, 1945 The Battle for Manila begins.
February 19, 1945 United States Marines land on the island of Iwo Jima. This will be the site of thousands of casualties for US forces. it will also become the picture of victory as marines raise the flag of the United States on the hard rock of a mountaintop. The Japanese forces dig in to the mountainside and prepare to die as warriors.
April 1, 1945 The United States leads the way into the invasion of Okinawa.
April 12, 1945 President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, leader, politician, President and father-figure, passes away while getting his portrait painted. He puts his hand to the back of his head and claims 'I have the most terrible headache'. He collapses and dies a day later in Georgia. the world mourns his passing. Soldiers miss his leadership, as if a close relative has passed away. Josef Stalin, the leader of the Soviet Union, controls the newspapers throughout his country, but lets the papers publish the news of Roosevelt's death. Meanwhile, in Germany, Adolph Hitler celebrates the death, remarking that the backbone of the enemy is broken. He urges his forces to go in for the kill. Vice President Harry S. Truman fills in Roosevelt's presidential duties.
April 25, 1945 United States and Soviet troops meet at the Elbe River. They shake hands in congratulations. It will be the last time the two forces act with respect to one another until the end of the Cold War.
April 28, 1945 Benito Mussolini and his mistress are shot and hung by partisans, their bodies mutilated by the public in town square.
April 30, 1945 Adolph Hitler, knowning that the Soviet troops are just yards away, takes a cyanide pill and shoots himself in the temple. His mistress, Eva Braun also shoots herself. German soldiers burn Hitler's body at his request. Soviet forces come upon the burning cadavers in the courtyard of the German bunker.
May 2, 1945 Berlin is captured by Soviet forces. Stalin takes his prize (the capital). The Allies wait on the other side, knowing that their part of the fighting is over.
May 3, 1945 Rangoon is captured by British troops.
May 7, 1945 VE Day (Victory in Europe). Germany signs a formal surrender with British and American forces.
May 8, 1945 Germany signs a formal surrender with Soviet forces at the Soviet's request.
June 26, 1945 The United Nations Charter is signed.
July 16 - August 2, 1945 The Potsdam Conference takes place. Talks range from the deconstruction of Germany (it is divided into sections controlled by all participating countries) and its reconstruction. Berlin is split down the middle. Germany itself is divided into an East and West Germany. France, the United States, Britain and the Soviet Union all take a portion of territory of what once was Germany.
August 6, 1945 The Atomic bomb is dropped on Hiroshima. President Truman faced the tough decision of weighing the lost of more American lives against invading a country of fighters willing to die for their cause. Hundreds of thousands of civilians are killed and maimed. Even generations later, radioactive effects are felt. It is the first use of an Atomic weapon in war in the world ever.
August 9, 1945 Soviet forces invade Manchuria. The second Atomic bomb is dropped on Japan in Nagasaki.
August 15, 1945 VJ Day (Victory in Japan). Japan surrenders. The Axis powers have officially lost the Second World War.
September 2, 1945 The Japanese formally surrender to American forces aboard the deck of the USS Missouri. General Douglas Macarther is put in charge of Japan during reconstruction. Just five years later, the US and the newly chartered United Nations will be involved in another conflict of tyranny - this time against North Korea. The state of Israel will also be born, bringing with it even more conflict.
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